landing?

[stantond]

Originally posted by Golfer
If you're using the F4U as a main ride and groundloop 90% of the time with your combat trim on...you've got a flawed technique.

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For someone who doesn't fly the F4U, that is a pretty ignorant thing to say.   I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and consider that you actually play the game, albeit never fly the F4U.   Try flying the F4U (fighter or attack) without changing planes using combat trim for two sequential sorties landing at an airfield, then tell us the best techique.  Comments from the peanut gallery are ignored.


Regards,

Malta

[Golfer]

Originally posted by stantond
For someone who doesn't fly the F4U, that is a pretty ignorant thing to say.   I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and consider that you actually play the game, albeit never fly the F4U.   Try flying the F4U (fighter or attack) without changing planes using combat trim for two sequential sorties landing at an airfield, then tell us the best techique.  Comments from the peanut gallery are ignored.


Regards,

Malta

I'd love to say "you're joking, right" however I have a feeling that would go very much unappreciated and not sound insulting.

I took 7 minutes out of my busy life when I read that post and have created this film demonstrating my unexplained and magic ability to land the F4U and have included a great deal of sarcasm for other viewers' pleasure.



(Loosely based on your previous rather insulting post)
And for someone who does fly the F4U, you're a pretty ignorant person.  I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've got your head up your rear, albeit never successfully land the F4U.  Try landing the F4U without changing planes or combat trim in one consecutive sortie while landing at an airfield and then tell me your flawed technique.  Comments from the center ring of the Malta Circus are ignored.

Disregards,
Golfer


On a more serious and constructive note because I just can't help myself...

You have a flawed technique and I sincerely hope that this film in some way helps you recognize something that you're doing wrong.  I am more than happy to help people with whatever it is they require and always try to go the extra mile to make sure the principal at hand is understood.  I spend enough hours in the Training Arena and have enough experience in each and every aces high aircraft, vehicle and vessel that I have instructional knowledge of each and believe it or not...can help.  If you're interested in ammending your flawed technique...just say the words and we'll get to the bottom of it.  If you want to be snobby, take it somewhere else.

Link is Hot

F4U Landings on an airfield....oh my!

[Widewing]

Landing the F4U:

Gear down at 300 mph or less.

Begin feeding out flaps at 250 mph.

Full flaps by 150 mph.

Over the numbers about 10 mph above stall.

Flair, nose high, 3 point the touchdown Stall horn should be howling at touchdown. Power should be at idle when the wheels touch.

Firmly plant the tail wheel immediately using elevator.

Apply brakes and stop.

I haven't ground-looped a Corsair in years using this method.

Here's a basic training film for landing the F4U.

My regards,

Widewing

[stantond]

Well Golfer,

I don't consider my technique flawed, since I can land the F4U 100% of the time without busting up the aircraft.  Judging from the film, you can repeatedly land the F4U without any problem too!  Congratuations!  Maybe you can clue some people in on what you were doing and what that they were not?

I really could not tell what you were doing that kept the plane from ground looping.  Using left and right wheel brakes?   Also, just to keep you out of the peanut gallery... can you post taxing over to a reload pad and taxi back to the runway and taking off more than once? That is what I meant by two sequential sortes.  That would convince me of your superiority and my flawed technique.

Do you ever watch your own films?  Text would be much more helpful.  Your voice was garbled through 90% of the film.  I don't think anyone will be a better pilot after watching it, but time will tell.  It sounded like the whole point of the film was to refute my calling you ignorant, for which I was incorrect and apologize.

Nice flying, btw.  Maybe there is something wrong with my stick setup, but I don't think I am alone in being able to ground loop a F4U.  If the plane is not landed perfectly level, or bounces, it has a tendency to ground loop.  But hey, its not my question.  I can land the F4U 100% of the time without any magic lama!



Regards,

Malta

[Larry]

Originally posted by Simaril
Any tips on landing the birds with monster torque --notably, the F4U family? If the runway doesnt have a cable for the tailhook, I end up ground looping most every time anymore....

Reduce RPMs while landing thenit wont pull to one side.

[TequilaChaser]

   If you're using the F4U as a main ride and groundloop 90% of the time with your combat trim on...you've got a flawed technique.

For one...I never turn combat trim off unless I've been stupid and compressed my 109 or 262...it's fine if you leave it on it won't hurt you.

I guess everyone has their own opinion on if Combat Trim helps or hurts one, while flying and while landing etc....... for the more prominate F4U flyers, I would say just about everyone of them fly with Manual Trim and know 1st hand that you are at a dis advantage flying the F4U with Combat Trim turned on.
setting up for approach and entering a lined up glide path while dropping gear as Widewing noted and clicking out a notch of flaps as you slow down to near 120 to 100 mph then FLARE your landing and float odown with a 3 point touc ( this is the Flare all 3 wheels touch runway same time ) chop throttle to "0". To keep from swirving left or right pull back and lock the tail wheel in the beginning, but to do it faster and easier just use alternate braking of the C & V keys and you can putt putt around to reload, to the hangar etc around 45 to 60 mph and never have to worry bout ground looping.

a common ground trim setting for the blue planes ( most US planes ) is set your elevator trim tab inline with the bottom part of the L like the following diagram:

E
L _    <  the red horizontal line should be about inline with bottom part of the L
V


fastest and easiest way to obtain this trim setting is to turn on Combat Trim ( CT ) nose low in shallow dive wings level, when the Red elavator Tab lines up with the bottom of the L, turn CT ( combat Trim off ) and most times your speed will be around 275 to 325 vicinity. this is what most call nuetral trim. You fly with this setting for awhile and you can see how much more performance you can actually squeeze from your Steed...............try it you just might like it

[Golfer]

can you post taxing over to a reload pad and taxi back to the runway and taking off more than once? That is what I meant by two sequential sortes.

link

It sounded like the whole point of the film was to refute my calling you ignorant

And that it was.  Mostly a Kiss-my-*** post.  I'd edit out the posts above but I'm past the time limit.

[scott123]

The f4u1 should always land on the main gear on a runway,not a 3 point landing,on a carrier you need to drop the tail so the hook can grab.

The f4u was notorius for ground looping & this was the the solution & how cadets were taught to land the f4u on a runway.

[RTR]

Do a search for landing the F4U. There have been many, many posts about this. I have posted, TC has posted, etc etc etc.

There are films, movies, write ups, arguments and just plain old poor information and advice.

TC is bang on right with his advice btw.

I don't care how the cadets were taught to land it (and I think you are wrongthere anyway scot123), what people need to know is how to land This Corsair in Aces High.

This subject has been beat to death.

RTR

[Widewing]

Originally posted by scott123
The f4u1 should always land on the main gear on a runway,not a 3 point landing,on a carrier you need to drop the tail so the hook can grab.
 

Thanks scott123, but my 332 traps aboard Saratoga, Eisenhower and Nimitz provide me with a vague idea of what's involved.

My regards,

Widewing

[mechanic]

i seriously cant believe this! not that anyone would have difficulty landing the F4u (it is difficult, my tirck is flaps full and glide in at idle max speed 150mph. let yourself roll to about 60mph before applying the brakes fully), but that anyone would argue with a real life pilot for his landing tech based on a simulator as experience...but...ah well....each to their own.




bottom line is though, if you're getting the a/c down without damage 100% of the time your method is fine.

[stantond]

What I have grown to appreciate is that with AH you can read a pilots manual... and apply it!





Regards,

Malta

[mechanic]

shame we dont have all the engine management as an option. It would make the game alot more difficult.

[Iceman24]

1 more thing you can do to help is to raise your flaps back up all the way as soon as your ready to flare, that basically takes all the lift off of the wing and actually puts pressure on it ( pushing you down ). I usually come in riding full flaps and right as I flare or maybe just a split second after I do ( right b4 wheels touchdown ) I raise my flaps all the way back up and hit both brakes... I have never tumbled one yet or any plane for that matter, I use this method with any plane, also very usefull for cv landing if you don't have or miss the hook... Sometimes if I need to stop extra quick I'll turn off the engine as well... I would suggest doing some touch and go's practicing using flaps do dump the wing lift..... If you are leaving the flaps extended or down while trying to stop on the runway you are landing incorrectly. Because while you are trying to slow down the wings are still trying to lift the plane back up, thats why you see allot of people skipping or hopping as they land, there wheels are on the ground and there smashing the brakes, the only prob is the plane is still goin over 50-60mph and the wings still have allot of lift, so the plane is trying to climb and get airborne again. in some planes such as zekes and nikis this is criticle if u want to stop quick, because those planes will skip and bounce down the runway until you get under about 40mph.... with the F4U this also allows you  to pull back on the stick once you get wheels down which will help keep u from tumbling nose over. if u had flaps extended and u pulled back on the stick the plane would mosst likely lift off the runway, but if your flaps are up, it will help keep your tail wheel on the ground and also keeps it straight so your not having to use differential brake or rudder constantly to stay in the mid of the runway... Using this method you only need about 1/8 of the runway to stop... if I'm reloading i'll just glide the 1st 3/4 of the runway then i'll raise my flaps and release all that lift and bammo i'm already at the refuel pad, no need for that 10 minute taxi... play around with it enough and eventually you will be able to land right next to the pad on the small cross road that the pad sits on that connects to the big runway... Also works in reverse if you are taking off, if u need to up quickly just drop some flaps and that will add extra lift to the wings, just remember they are down so that when you want to auto climb or whatever remember to raise em back up... The norm is to not use any flaps during takeoff, but if you are rearming a lanc on a cv they are a must in order to get airborne again

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Widewing
Thanks scott123, but my 332 traps aboard Saratoga,

My regards,

Widewing

showing ya age ther Ww