Author Topic: whats the posibility of releasing the 109s (Read 873 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2005, 12:52:29 AM »

And now they are not. You have noted the change. It was a drastic change, as well.

I think, however, that in the change from AH1 to AH2 a lot of planes got changed in unrealistic ways. Somebody else suggested it had to do with not modeling the drag properly. I can see why they'd think so. Planes don't decelerate like they should. Nor do they rip wings off at 500+ anymore. Nor should a6m2's be able to do some things I've seen them do (and done in them myself)

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2005, 01:55:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
109s already got an FM tweak when converted to AH2 FM (if still AH1 3D). In AH1 it was almost unbearable to fly them. Now it's a joy, comparitavely speaking.

And that was a revision of the flight model that effected all planes, not just any specific ones. Some of the changes to the revised FM had some noticable effects to certain planes and less so on others.

ack-ack

Kev367th · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2005, 01:58:59 AM »

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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Personally my guess and hope is that Spit skins are done by Kev.

Tex

LOL,
Thanks, but I'm not one of the 'official' skinners.

I will be doing (when they're released)

5 - Malta blue Spit (ingame) Spit and natural finish Spit.
8 - The RAAF Spit 9 I already have ingame (was an VIII) + one other
9 - Pink Spit and Hi-alt Spit (both ingame now)
14 - SEAC Spit (ingame) + one other.
16 - Looking

EagleEyes · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2005, 10:23:00 PM »

Kev, might i ask if you will do another 31st FG paint job for one of the spits? Bomber Barons always use the one u did for the Spit IX.

~~Egle31st~~

Kev367th · « **Reply #19 on:** October 01, 2005, 09:53:58 AM »

You sure your not confusing me with Rogerdee who did a 31st Spit V?

EagleEyes · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2005, 07:29:19 PM »

I was told by Fish u did it, if you didnt im sorry. In that case would u mind doing one? If not its cool, was just woundering. I know for a fact the 31st was really into that skin. Never flew a spit with out that paint job on it!

~~Egle31st~~

Kev367th · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2005, 07:57:14 PM »

If you can find me a picture or profile of a 308th Mk VIII I will do that one as my second Mk VIII.
Apparently the 31st recieved a mix of Mk IX and Mk VIII to replace their Mk V's in May 1943.
The VIII's all went to the 308 FS.

OK I found one -
1943 Mk VIII - 31FG/308FS HL*K "Fargo Express", in desert (mid stone/ dark earth over azure blue) colours.

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/aero/am48624.htm

EagleEyes · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2005, 08:09:02 PM »

alright ill see what i can do, do u want me to e-mail u the pics or post them here?

Kev367th · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2005, 08:37:57 PM »

Post them in the custom skins and sounds forum.

Karnak · « **Reply #24 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:45:05 AM »

Are we actually getting the Mk VIII? I thought Pyro said that one was unlikely?

I really hope we get the Mk VIII. I'd use it over the Mk XVI for sure.

Kev367th · « **Reply #25 on:** October 02, 2005, 08:55:22 AM »

Not unlikely, he was thinking about it.
I think I mentioned that if the XVI is at 18lbs I could see little point of doing the Mk VIII. As apart from clipped wings on the XVI and extra tanks/retractible tailwheel on the VIII theres maybe not enough difference.
Hope I'm wrong though, to give up a great Spit V we have now for a Mk XVI at only 18lbs would feel like a rip off.

Looking at free Spits
Mk I - gain 12lbs boost (only used in BoB scenarios anyway)
Mk V - lose 16 lbs boost
Mk IX - lose 50 cal options (werent accurate anyway)
Mk XVI - at 18lbs

Somehow doesnt look like a 'fair' trade.
Add the VIII at 18lbs (can double for 1943/44 LF IX) and the XVI at 25lbs (late 44/early 45) it looks better.
Think we already had the discussion that a XVI at 18lbs is no better than a 1943 LF IX.

Alreadt sent Pyro some stuff from Rolls Royce and the National Archive that show although 5700fpm was possible for test purposes, it was more likely closer to 4700fpm. Plus the clipped wings decrease climb rate by approx 200fpm per 5000ft.

Edbert · « **Reply #26 on:** October 02, 2005, 09:01:09 AM »

So, back to 109s...guess there's little to no chance of having functional combat flaps with the makeover huh?

Wilbus · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2005, 10:04:37 AM »

There weren't any FM changes made to any planes with the release of AH2 as far as HTC has stated.

There was an overall change to FM where HTC modelled a far greater number of points on the wings (if I understood it right) which affects all planes, specially near stall speed and high angles of attack.

No changes were made to the 190's. No changes were made to the 109's. The 109's just gained alot from the new FM redo. (possibly partly to the fact that they have leading edge slats that, before the FM change, didn't work quite as well as they should).

No FM changes are being made to any of the new modells released if I have understood HTC right. These updates are purly "eye candy" with improved 3D modells and skins.
The only FM difference is on the new planes that are added (P47N, 109 G14, Spit XVI etc).

As for the possibility of releasing the 109's prior to the spits, looking at history this won't happen unless something drastic happens to the spitfire remodelling which halts the progress.
And as have been stated before, the spits are more then likely being remade at the same time as the 109's, Superfly is working on them more then likely. Question is who is making the skins?

Grits · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2005, 11:34:03 AM »

What Wilbus said.

tikky · « **Reply #29 on:** October 02, 2005, 01:33:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert
So, back to 109s...guess there's little to no chance of having functional combat flaps with the makeover huh?

109s had "funtional combat flaps"? hmmmm tell me about it.