High Plains Drifter

[Leslie]

Springfield trapdoors are the weakest actions of any rifle of that period.  Very risky to shoot one of those rifles when they first came out.  Modern loads and pressures are not safe with that rifle action.  



Les

[lazs2]

star...  I just bought dead or alive also but it hasn't come yet... also guns of will sonnet..

I bought and thoroughly enjoyed both seasons of Have gun will travel..

as for steves "mares leg"  horrible idea..... same barrel length as a pistol so same velocity... less capacity probly could only hol 3 or 4 rounds in the cut down tube..

in the 45-70 I want one of the marlin stainless "guide guns" lever actions.   shot one and it was impressive.    It would cost little more to reload for than a 30 ought six.    Bout 50 grains of powder vs 46 or so... plus.. you could shoot lead bullets instead of jacketed..  

in the site russian links the 45-70 outpenetrates 308 in bulletproof glass.

lazs

[Leslie]

That would be a nice one Lazs.  Always liked the Marlins.  For single shot replicas, the 45-70 Sharps hunting rifle would be fun and safe and more convenient than making your own rounds like for the 50-70 carbine, which I have and must cast bullets for.   Ammo not for sale anywhere it is a completely obsolete rifle.  Was used by the Army during the first 6 months of 1873 and was replaced by the Winchester '73.

Mine is loaded at minimum load and surprizingly only has the recoil and report of about a .22.  Killed my first deer with that rifle.





Les

[StarOfAfrica2]

Heh.  I agree in theory that the mare's leg idea is probably the worst thing you could ever do to a rifle.

But on the other hand for a fantasy world like TV it JUST LOOKS SO DANG COOL!  

The chick on Firefly has one too, reminded me of those shows.

Wasnt W: DoA Steve McQueen's first starring role in a TV series?

[lazs2]

the chick on firefly has a spectacular butt..... her choice of firearms is not good tho.

lazs

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Sandman
Don't you mean, "dressed up, and draft dodging Hollywood cowboy"?



Pffft... some of us didn't buy into John Ford's mythmaking.

Didnt know they were drafting 34 year olds in WWII

Like I said You obviously dont know much about him

Early on he hoped to attend Annapolis and was named as an alternate selection but the first choice took the appointment.

During the war Wayne tried to enlist but was rejected because of an old shoulder injury, his age (34) and his status as a married father of 4. He flew to Washinton to plead he be allowed to join the Navy but was turned down
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during 1944 he spent 3 months touring the forward positions in the pacific theater

After the ware Emporer Herohito visited the US and  saught out Wayne to pay tribute to the one who represented the USA's success in combat

In Vietnam he scorned VIP treatment insisting on visiting the troops in the feild and once had his helocopter land in the midst of a battle

when in the hospital for the last time he learned the engines on the yacht he had sold neded minor repairs he had the engines overhauled at the cost of 40K because he had told the new owner it was in good shape.

Returning late ne night to his hotel he received a message lef tto hom from a woman whos child lay critically ill in the hospital
the note read "It would mean so much to her if you could pay her just a breif visit" he left the hotel and at 3AM visited her and every other patient on the floor who happened to be awake

During his last days when the doctors told him there was no nope he refused painkillers so he could be alert to spend the last days with his family. He died of lung and stomach cancer.
Stomach cancer being one of the most painful ways to die.


1973 as honored with the VFWs highest award "the National americanism Gold medal"

 1979 Awarded Wayne the" Congressional Gold medal" by congress

Wash DC May 12 1998 Wayne is honord byt the army in naming the RAH-66 helocopter after him "the Duke"


as Elizibeth Taylor once said "He gave the world an image of what an American should be"

I agree

Wayne often said
"I've tried to live my life so that my family loves me and my friends respect me. the rest can do what the hell they please"

Like I said before.
Nobody gives a rats arse what you think.
He wouldnt have either.

Just another actor indeed

[Sandman]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK

Like I said before.
Nobody gives a rats arse what you think.
He wouldnt have either.

Evidently, you have just enough rat's tulips to compel you to respond.

John Wayne was a phony.

Real Hollywood Heros

[StarOfAfrica2]

I dont see anything on that website that makes any claims as to the authenticity of John Wayne as a human being.  Not everyone gets to serve in the armed forces, even in time of war.  He did what he could as a civilian, and thats more than alot of people do.  Its more than I've done.  Not that I have any idea how I could be of any service, but if a chance was offered I'd sure like to try.

You obviously have strong negative feelings towards JW, would you like to give some reasons?  Or is anyone who didnt serve in the military a "phony" in your book?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2

You obviously have strong negative feelings towards JW, would you like to give some reasons?  Or is anyone who didnt serve in the military a "phony" in your book?

It's not negative. It's neutral, a complete and total lack of awe.

Guys like Henry Ford, James Stewart, and more recently Pat Tillman left their fortunate lives behind and walked the walk. These men impress me.

[StarOfAfrica2]

So a man who WOULD have gone, but was refused to allow to serve, he deserves to be called a phony?  I think that's pretty harsh.  He was an actor.  He wasnt allowed to play the real part, so he did the only thing he could.  He saluted those men who DID serve by making movies about them and making them look like heros.  If that makes him a phony in your eyes, then I guess so be it.  I'd be proud to be that much of a phony.

[GtoRA2]

I like High plains drifter.

One of Clints best.

Outlaw Josey wales was great tell it got ruined the second that sandra lock broud showed on the screen.


The Searchers was a big suprise for me, John Wayne did a fine acting job,  a very dark movie that one.

For a fun western I like Silverrado.


I like the cowboys alot too.


True grit is prolly my fav though.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
So a man who WOULD have gone, but was refused to allow to serve, he deserves to be called a phony?  I think that's pretty harsh.  He was an actor.  He wasnt allowed to play the real part, so he did the only thing he could.  He saluted those men who DID serve by making movies about them and making them look like heros.  If that makes him a phony in your eyes, then I guess so be it.  I'd be proud to be that much of a phony.

According to Cecil Adams:

John Wayne, draft dodger? Oh, what delicious (if cheap) irony! But that judgment is a little harsh. As Garry Wills tells the story in his book John Wayne's America: The Politics of Celebrity (1997), the Duke faced a tough choice at the outset of World War II. If he wimped out, don't be so sure a lot of us wouldn't have done the same.

At the time of Pearl Harbor, Wayne was 34 years old. His marriage was on the rocks but he still had four kids to support. His career was taking off, in large part on the strength of his work in the classic western Stagecoach (1939). But he wasn't rich. Should he chuck it all and enlist? Many of Hollywood's big names, such as Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable, did just that. (Fonda, Wills points out, was 37 at the time and had a wife and three kids.) But these were established stars. Wayne knew that if he took a few years off for military service, there was a good chance that by the time he got back he'd be over the hill.

Besides, he specialized in the kind of movies a nation at war wanted to see, in which a rugged American hero overcame great odds. Recognizing that Hollywood was an important part of the war effort, Washington had told California draft boards to go easy on actors. Perhaps rationalizing that he could do more good at home, Wayne obtained 3-A status, "deferred for [family] dependency reasons." He told friends he'd enlist after he made just one or two more movies.

The real question is why he never did so. Wayne cranked out thirteen movies during the war, many with war-related themes. Most of the films were enormously successful and within a short time the Duke was one of America's most popular stars. His bankability now firmly established, he could have joined the military, secure in the knowledge that Hollywood would welcome him back later. He even made a half-hearted effort to sign up, sending in the paperwork to enlist in the naval photography unit commanded by a good friend, director John Ford.

But he didn't follow through. Nobody really knows why; Wayne didn't like to talk about it. A guy who prided himself on doing his own stunts, he doesn't seem to have lacked physical courage. One suspects he just found it was a lot more fun being a Hollywood hero than the real kind. Many movie star-soldiers had enlisted in the first flush of patriotism after Pearl Harbor. As the war ground on, slogging it out in the trenches seemed a lot less exciting. The movies, on the other hand, had put Wayne well on the way to becoming a legend. "Wayne increasingly came to embody the American fighting man," Wills writes. In late 1943 and early 1944 he entertained the troops in the Pacific theater as part of a USO tour. An intelligence bigshot asked him to give his impression of Douglas MacArthur. He was fawned over by the press when he got back. Meanwhile, he was having a torrid affair with a beautiful Mexican woman. How could military service compare with that?

In 1944, Wayne received a 2-A classification, "deferred in support of [the] national . . . interest." A month later the Selective Service decided to revoke many previous deferments and reclassified him 1-A. But Wayne's studio appealed and got his 2-A status reinstated until after the war ended.

People who knew Wayne say he felt bad about not having served. (During the war he'd gotten into a few fights with servicemen who wondered why he wasn't in uniform.) Some think his guilty conscience was one reason he became such a superpatriot later. The fact remains that the man who came to symbolize American patriotism and pride had a chance to do more than just act the part, and he let it pass.

[Steve]

Outlaw Josey wales was great tell it got ruined the second that sandra lock broud showed on the screen.

I repsectfully disagree.  The movie was good enough that even that skank couldn't ruin it

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Steve
I repsectfully disagree.  The movie was good enough that even that skank couldn't ruin it

Fortunately, her part was a relatively small one.

[lazs2]

the shootist was a good wayne movie.

Iwould say that if wayne visited the troops... especially in the hot zones... he probly did as much for the country and the troops as 90% of the soldiers... he probly was in as much danger as about 50% of the veterans of most wars.

lazs