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Offline Nash

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2005, 10:54:04 PM »
Maybe...

What's the "method?"

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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2005, 11:05:12 PM »
Voila. The Stealth Candidate. Did they really exist before nomination? Who are these people?

Roberts & Miers and, replacing the 85 year old Stephens, is ....


Joe Shlabotnik. Surely you've heard of him?

Bork's confirmation hearings showed what not to do. It has just taken a while for the art of picking the unknown and teaching him/her not to say anything while talking to develop.
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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2005, 11:12:13 PM »
Oh. Yeah....

I'm with ya there.

Coaching nominees is now a bonafide sustainable business.

What's been.... weird.... I guess... is that the nominating party has now tried to make it seem like an abberation, an unnacceptable invasion to ask these nominees what they think.

I don't think it's out of line to be like, "Who are you?" when it comes to lifetime appointments deciding the matters of men.

I know that you base your ballot on who the President nominates for the Supreme Court, Toad. Is this really what you had in mind?

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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2005, 11:20:36 PM »
LOL!

How do I know? They're Stealth Candidates!

Now, did I EXPECT the SC Senate confirmation hearings to devolve into meaningless procedural formalilty?

No, I didn't. But both parties see what's going on and see how it works. It is possible that this is just an evolution that adapts to an almost perfectly divided Senate but both parties are "going to school on it", you can count on that.

I don't think we'll see non-Stealth nominees anymore unless a particular party has a clear dominance of the Senate and can keep the Senators voting on party lines. In other words, if the balance is so lopsided that a President can put up an "in your face" nominee knowing his party will put it through without real opposition.

Still if I were forced to choose, I'd rather have Bush picking nominees than either Gore or Kerry.

I think you realize where the real power in the US "3 branch" government lies in our times/generation. Presidents come and go... Roberts may well be SC CJ for 30+ years.
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2005, 11:25:25 PM »
Yeah that's great.

Your: "I vote for a President based not on the candidate but on who that candidate will nominate for the Supreme Court" sucks in about five thousand different ways.

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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2005, 11:28:18 PM »
Possibly.

But it's still the most important factor by a loooooong shot and beats picking a Prez any other way because all of the other ways suck in about 100,000 different ways..
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2005, 11:29:52 PM »
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Yeah that's great.

Your: "I vote for a President based not on the candidate but on who that candidate will nominate for the Supreme Court" sucks in about five thousand different ways.


As if thats not a legit thing. How many leftists were opposed to Bush in 2004 just because it was thought he may have a chance to appoint a few SC justices.

Lemme see how it went,  "We cant let Bush win because he will appoint anti row v wade SC judges!!! Arghh!!  End of the world yada yada yada etc..."

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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2005, 11:33:20 PM »
If your idea of a worthwhile vote is to give the nod to a guy who sends ya packin' into nutball and mismanaged excursion in the M.E. while adding trillions to the national debt; only tempered by the guy's "stealth" SC nominations... then you aren't a very hard guy to please.

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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2005, 11:43:59 PM »
Nash, you just seem to have a problem with the "long view".

You live in the "right now" and seem to need immediate gratification. That last locked thread of yours would be an example.

Yep, Iraq, the debt.. those are problems. But they aren't problems that will destroy the country. In fact, we've been both of those places before and come through. Just as these current problems will be resolved.

OTOH, the Constitution is the Nation. The Nation is the Constitution. The SC Justices are the Guardians of the Constitution.

Roberts will probably be there ~30 years, 4 times as long as any President can hold office. As SC CJ, he wields incredible power. The other 8 do as well. In things as seemingly insignificant as picking which cases they will hear in the session.

I just focus on what really matters.

Not which professional politician will live at 1600 Pennsylvania for 4 or possibly 8 years.
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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2005, 12:08:29 AM »
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Nash, you just seem to have a problem with the "long view".

You live in the "right now" and seem to need immediate gratification. That last locked thread of yours would be an example.

Yep, Iraq, the debt.. those are problems. But they aren't problems that will destroy the country. In fact, we've been both of those places before and come through. Just as these current problems will be resolved.

OTOH, the Constitution is the Nation. The Nation is the Constitution. The SC Justices are the Guardians of the Constitution.

Roberts will probably be there ~30 years, 4 times as long as any President can hold office. As SC CJ, he wields incredible power. The other 8 do as well. In things as seemingly insignificant as picking which cases they will hear in the session.

I just focus on what really matters.

Not which professional politician will live at 1600 Pennsylvania for 4 or possibly 8 years.


Nice meme. But you consructed it - and I ain't paying for it.

Fact is - and this may come as a shock to you - there's more to running a country than picking SC justices. Ignore it if you want, but it's still going to cost you blood and treasure.

Even if it were all about SC nominations - you yourself say that it's a total crapshoot... and that it's some"art" and it's basically out of everyone's hands. You don't even know this chick! Nobody does. And this is supposed to be the prime criteria in voting for a President?

Happy?

Meanwhile.... There's a whole ton of a lot going on, being decided upon by the folks you advocate for office, that are of a great deal of consequence.... and it hits you every time someone dies over there.......... and it has nothing to do with the Supreme Court.

So.... no. You want to say that voting for the Presidency is really about voting for the Supreme Court.  That's not right. Even you have no idea who these people are. But go ahead. Tell the widows and the broke how essential Harriet Miers is and tell them how important it was that they suffered under Bush for her nomination.
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2005, 12:17:00 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2005, 12:23:19 AM »
As I said, it's that long view thing.

Lots of things have cost us blood and treasure. There will be more at some later date. Some will be at a President's direction, some won't.

Take a long view back and see how much blood and treasure we've spent. Then look at how much of it was spent on something, anything worthwhile. Was saving the snail darter in the TVA project worth the treasure?

Fact is, the country pretty much runs itself. Politician like to think they steer but in the long term they don't.

The nomination/confirmation process has, in this divided Senate, turned into a meaningless procedural formality.

Still there can be NO DOUBT that were Gore or Kerry picking the choice would be much more detrimental to the Constitution and thus the Nation's future. Well, no doubt for anyone who thinks the Constitution should be read and applied, not stretched to fit  passing fancies.

So yeah... I'm happy in that regard.

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that are of a great deal of consequence.... and it hits you every time someone dies over there
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Not really; you think it has a "great deal of consequence" but that's your short view.

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Tell it to the widows and the broke.


The poor ye always have with you and everybody dies.

We're going to spend another few hundred billion rebuilding a city below sea level. What will the eventual, invevitable consequences of that decision be?

The US averages losing ~110 per day in motor vehicle accidents; about half of those are alcohol related.

Do something, quick.
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2005, 12:26:06 AM »
Heh...

That's what's fascinating about folks like you.

You seem to think that everything runs on cruise control.

It don't.

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2005, 12:28:19 AM »
Heh.

What I find fascinating about folks like you is the instant gratification requirement that leads to the short view.
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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2005, 12:30:15 AM »
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Ignore it if you want, but it's still going to cost you blood and treasure.



Blood and Treasure!

Haaaarrrrrrrr!
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