Author Topic: Bush Using Military During Avian Flu Outbreak (Read 1126 times)

Russian · « **Reply #30 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:21:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
IIRC this bird flu has a kill rate of 50%.

You think its a bad idea to nail it down?

I haven’t checked since last year. Probably it is as you say….

What is nail it down mean?

Sandman · « **Reply #31 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:25:19 PM »

I thought he meant quarantine.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:30:20 PM »

Yeah, he's implying quarantine.

Did no one else see Outbreak?

Russian · « **Reply #33 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:32:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I thought he meant quarantine.

In that case, and if that was directed towards me, I think it’s an impossible task. I do not think that its ‘bad’…as a necessity it must be done.

Vulcan · « **Reply #34 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:32:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Russian
I haven’t checked since last year. Probably it is as you say….

What is nail it down mean?

Quarantine it, isolate it, etc. I don't see any other manpower resource should a major outbreak occur other than the military. Police and health officials are not up to the job. It amazes me, on one hand yanks beyatch and moan nothing was done to prevent the issues brought by Katrina, on the other hand Bush does what should be done, ie highlights the issue and potential response to the bird flu, and everyone starts screaming police state.

Sitting over here I sometimes wonder who'd want to be president of the USA.

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:35:24 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yeah, he's implying quarantine.

Did no one else see Outbreak?

Yeah... was thinking the same thing. That movie pretty well illustrates why the military shouldn't be involved. Yes. I know it's just a movie. Yes. I know that Hollywood paints the military in the most horrible light and they do so as a general rule.

Russian · « **Reply #36 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:36:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Quarantine it, isolate it, etc. I don't see any other manpower resource should a major outbreak occur other than the military. Police and health officials are not up to the job. It amazes me, on one hand yanks beyatch and moan nothing was done to prevent the issues brought by Katrina, on the other hand Bush does what should be done, ie highlights the issue and potential response to the bird flu, and everyone starts screaming police state.

Sitting over here I sometimes wonder who'd want to be president of the USA.

I’m not arguing about that, in fact I agree with you 100%. I know this last reply was not directed towards me, but if you look at what I previously wrote, I stated same thing in just different wording.

Sandman · « **Reply #37 on:** October 04, 2005, 11:38:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Quarantine it, isolate it, etc. I don't see any other manpower resource should a major outbreak occur other than the military. Police and health officials are not up to the job. It amazes me, on one hand yanks beyatch and moan nothing was done to prevent the issues brought by Katrina, on the other hand Bush does what should be done, ie highlights the issue and potential response to the bird flu, and everyone starts screaming police state.

Sitting over here I sometimes wonder who'd want to be president of the USA.

IMHO, the disastor of Katrina rests quite nicely on the shoulders of the governor and the mayor of new orleans. Bush made one big mistake I think and he did it far in advance of the hurricane. He put Brown in a position of authority that he was grossly unqualified for. Other than that, I don't see Katrina as a glaring example of federal failure.

Westy · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2005, 07:39:02 AM »

"Hmmm... this is relevant in what way?"

REMEMBER THE MAINE!

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2005, 07:54:25 AM »

I would rather take my chances with the birdie flu than with the military government.

as for fema... disband it.

lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2005, 07:55:19 AM »

Hah you fools.. You haven't watched X-files at all!

Mulder and Scully will pwn all teh birdieflu with the top secret biohazard fighting team.

Don't worry!

wrag · « **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2005, 08:10:58 AM »

If you give a politician, or anyone in a position of power, powers that can be abused. Those powers will eventually be abused.

The greater the powers give the worse the result will be.

This has been said by many wise individuals in many different ways over the past centuries.

Suave · « **Reply #42 on:** October 05, 2005, 08:12:43 AM »

LOL Outbrake!

Here's a good read on PCA.

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm

VOR · « **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2005, 10:49:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
It amazes me, on one hand yanks beyatch and moan nothing was done to prevent the issues brought by Katrina, on the other hand Bush does what should be done, ie highlights the issue and potential response to the bird flu, and everyone starts screaming police state.

Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if it only appeared that way from the inside.

Hangtime · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2005, 11:24:50 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if it only appeared that way from the inside.

Item.. in a situation like the president uses for his example the emergency powers act will allow him to deploy troops. In other words, the office of the president already has far-reaching powers in a state of declared emergency.

Item.. Removal or change of The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 will allow the president to deploy troops without congressional approval AND without a declaration of emergency.

This is a clear overeach of presidential power, and as such does not assure anybody of additional saftey or security.. it instead makes it a foregone cinch that American Troops could be used to search, detain, arrest or place on trial American Civilians, in other words it removes a states right to decide on deployment and shifts the chain of command for Guard troops from the state government to the president.

Again, I have the utmost respect for American Troops abroad. I was one. However, deploy troops in my home town or state and begin to arrest, detain or ursurp rights assured to citizens by the constitution and these very same troops that were hero's abroad will become citizens enimies and legitimate targets for patriots.

Not good.

Not good at all.

VOR, this is NOT an appropriate move by the President. Again, the President can declare a temporary state of emergency and deploy without bypassing the Posse Comitatus Act. To keep troops deployed he needs Congressional approval and a request from the State. With the Act by-passed he has a green light to permanantly bypass congress in the use of troops inside the US, against US citizens. That's just WRONG.