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Offline FuBaR

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« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2005, 03:18:27 AM »
I havent seen red like that since I had acne...

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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2005, 08:41:41 AM »
had?

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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2005, 11:14:47 AM »
:lol :lol :aok

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« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2005, 11:58:51 AM »
lol i hate that engine killing crap, on merge or through out a fight.
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« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2005, 12:20:52 PM »
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lol ive seen better.. thought this one kind of sucked to be honest.. And thats without mentioning the cutting engine dweebery ..


but if you didnt have a throttle slider then its easier no?


all i'm saying is in my view, this is the best fight ive seen, if you've seen better we just dont share exact taste :)


we we're just trying to get some good camera shots of spits fighting, nothing serious, wt and sniper wernt going hammer an tongs for it, just playing at fighter aces, thats the essence of the game for me.

thats why this is the best *I* have seen.
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« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2005, 03:40:29 PM »
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but if you didnt have a throttle slider then its easier no?



If he didn't have a throttle slider, then the other guy could have easily used the KB throttle commands.  Turning on and off your engine to make yourself turn tighter is an unfortunately gamey tactic that was and to some extent still used by some.  In real combat, you'd never see any of the combatents turn on and off their engines.  


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« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2005, 06:52:40 PM »
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there are nights when you cant do anything wrong , then there are nights when your better off logging.  ..... OH and  AKAK's an alt monkey hehehe     38Maw


Hmmm I may have to give this 38 plane a try..........
Maybe I could get good at it...............
Do you use both engines?
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« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2005, 09:18:03 PM »
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Hmmm I may have to give this 38 plane a try..........
Maybe I could get good at it...............
Do you use both engines?
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No Silat YOU have to use 1 engine and 100% flaps at all times.
That way you make it fair for the rest of us.   :p



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« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2005, 10:12:21 PM »
awsomo and pacerr in tanks when pacerr is not spawn camping
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« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2005, 11:13:30 PM »
well whatever i still liked this fight alot. show me something better instead of just critisising.

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« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2005, 12:09:37 AM »
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well whatever i still liked this fight alot. show me something better instead of just critisising.

:aok


I understand that not having a dedicated throttle, slider or wheel is a handicap. Therefore, I understand why someone would simply kill the engine to throttle back rather than tap the throttle keys like a madman.

However, in the real world this was not an option. In flight, you could consider the E key as a magneto switch. In real fighters, you never shut down an engine by simply switching off the magnetos. Why? Because, while the spark is off, the carb is still pumping fuel into the intake manifold. This fuel accumulates unburned in the cylinders. When you switch the mags back on one of several things will happen:

1) Your plugs are fouled, meaning the engine may never restart, and if it does, odds are you will have a major power loss and/or:
2) The fuel ignites and the resulting detonation blows the exhaust stacks off or backfires through the intake, with a possiblity of engine damage and even a fire.

Add to that the problem of the fuel washing the oil from the cylinder walls, which can lead to broken rings and in extreme cases, can lead to engine failure.

The correct way to shut down an engine is by moving the mixture lever to the idle cut-off position. This cuts the flow of fuel and that fuel in the manifold is burned.

However, in-flight things are not as simple as pushing the lever back up to lean or rich. The engine likely will not instantly start up. And there's the little problem of manipulating mags and mixture while fighting for one's life.

There are other, game related issues.

Some fighters respond differently than others to cutting the engine(s) with the E key. With the Spitfire, you can simply toggle the engine off and on and have instant power available. Not so with the P-38. You must go through the entire start-up sequence to get power back. This is a programming flaw. Every aircraft should have to go through the start-up sequence, not just some.

Then there is the argument that cutting power with the E key is no different that cobbing back the throttle. This is not true. I tested the snot out of this tonight and using the E key vs the throttle resulted in quicker reduction of speed. Flying a SpitV, I would allow speed to build to 250 mph. At precisely that speed, I hit the E key and measured the time required to decelerate to 200 mph. I did the same using the throttle. My results showed that it took 7.4 seconds to slow down using the E key and 7.7 to 7.8 seconds using the throttle. Not a lot, but in a really close fight it could be the difference. So why does the E key slow you faster? It takes 0.3-0.4 seconds to move the throttle to idle, whereas the E key is instantaneous. Likewise, it takes the same time to push the throttle fully forward as it did to pull it off. Again, the E key provides for instant power. If this is done 4 or 5 times in a fight, a measurable difference can be expected.

This whole issue would be moot if all the aircraft responded accurately to shutting down the motor in flight. For those guys without a throttle slider/wheel or even a separate throttle; they would be forced to get one or suffer with having to tap the +/- keys like crazy.

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« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2005, 12:25:16 AM »
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Turning on and off your engine to make yourself turn tighter is an unfortunately gamey tactic that was and to some extent still used by some.
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« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2005, 12:30:33 AM »
I recently read an article on 'shock cooling' as a result of engine idle, engine off while in flight. Cold air rushing across the engine caused them to cool unevenly, in some cases cracks were observed (this on idle) in areas on the engine.

Aircraft like the 109 and Stuka etc.. were restricted from 0 throttle dives (109 min rpm was 800 rpm). This may have had something to do with synchronization for the MGs but I have read where shock cooling caused issues with the DB engine. So much so that 109 Jabo pilots were trained similarly to those in Stukas about not throttling back to 0, let alone turning off their engines.

I imagine the impact of shock cooling will be even worse on air cooled engines.

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« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2005, 12:31:14 AM »
Don't get much better than this...

Nomak vs Levi

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« Reply #89 on: October 10, 2005, 12:46:44 AM »
i wanted to watch but its not working
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