Author Topic: GV's...WTF (Read 903 times)

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2005, 03:44:00 AM »

It's obvious something needs fixing. For example many times it's easyer to kill gv's with a pintle gun than a close range cannon shot. Even vehicles that should b e resistant to .303 or .50 fire.

LVT to LVT it takes 2-3 seconds of fire from a single .50 to blow it up. Yet it can bounce off several panzer shots - time that it takes reloading once is more than it takes to kill it with the pintle gun.

The fact is that .50 fire should not affect panzers or tigers in any imaginable way unless the tank leader sticks his head out from the hatch. They're simply too armored to be affected by .50 fire. At most, hatch movement could be disabled by strafing - there were reported cases that tank crew couldn't get out unassisted because strafing had bent the hatch edges enough to jam it shut like a can of tuna.

mechanic · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2005, 03:51:38 AM »

nothing really buggy here.

if you want the kill, make sure you hit em hard. simple.

if you see a lone bomber flying with smoke pouring out and no friendly to clim it then hit it hard, its your kill.

If you see a smoking flak, dont drop 2k of bombs on it and expect to get the kill. ever heard of overkill? waste of ordanance?

only thing you should drop 2k on is a tiger, and 1k direct hit will do it.

anything else GV will die from a direct hit from a 250lb bomb or a concentrated burst of 20mm(needs alot)-27mm-30mm etc cannon.

a single rocket in the turret of a flak is a killshot in my experience, but almost unheard of accuracy in the MA.

theres nothing really needs changing imo.

Oleg · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2005, 04:22:32 AM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
nothing really buggy here.
if you want the kill, make sure you hit em hard. simple.

How about this?

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Originally posted by Lizard3
I pinged 3 or 4 deflected shots off a Tiger with a Pzr IV once, someone else snuck up on it and hit it once dead in the side for the kill. I got credit even though none of my shots penetrated.

Definitely, there are not everything right with GVs

Tilt · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2005, 05:20:50 AM »

Under "bad guy damage" AH logs record the number of bullets....... not their calibre.

But this does not mean that this is used to award kills.

I always thought that kill award status was determined by the FE of the victim.

We know it is not component damage related. (if my single 30mm hit took of your tail someone else spraying you all over with 12mm may win the kill)

It would be more logical if the kill/assist award was based upon calibre x bullet(shell) count and this may be the case.

There could still be incongrueties even then..... imagine a turret has taken hits to a point where it is 95% depleted and the next 2x20mm shells will kill it. Now some one drops a 1000llb bomb on it. The 1000llb bomb increases turret depletion to 200+% the tank was destroyed at 100%. Is the bomber granted 5% of 100%(assist) or 105% of 200%(kill)?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2005, 08:04:49 AM »

I'm pretty sure it does not count bullet hits, but damage. Perfect example is the Spit 1 vs. Typhoon analogy posted earlier.

If you take a 110 and give a good spray to each GV you see, you've given out a lot of damage, though you might not have hurt it.

A 110 spraying will beat out a p51 spraying anyday.

2-30mm's and 4-20's can deal a lot of damage. But in the case of t34, Panzer and Tiger, it'll only just scratch the paint job.

It's real gaimy, but there are people out there who will take a 110 and spray everyone to get the kill.

mipoikel · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2005, 08:29:29 AM »

Isnt it more important that enemy dies, doesnt matter who gets TEH kill.

(Off topic: Nice... Im learning more and better english every day... TEH TEH, NOOOK, PWND, QUAH (whats that)

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Lye-El · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2005, 09:23:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Somebody else did more damge to it then. Aircraft are soft targets, not hard targets like tanks.

Hmmm....a Fighter hit by and Osti doesn't fly anymore. How could a flying aircraft have more damage than that?

mechanic · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2005, 11:05:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Oleg
How about this?

Definitely, there are not everything right with GVs

maybe the shots didnt all deflect, maybe he killed the engine and didnt realise.

i just dont think there is enough to warant working on the GV code when the planes are all being remodeled

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2005, 12:50:46 PM »

Mechanic, the Hurricane Mk2D is my favorite ride. It is so aggravating that I can take out a tank's turret and engine in two shots but not get the kill.

It's also very aggravating for other GV'ers.