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Offline Dead Man Flying

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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2005, 11:58:11 AM »
Rshubert, what I mean is that it is very easy to overcompensate when zoomed in for reasons described.  What you've done is describe in a better way what I've been trying to say, so thanks for that.

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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2005, 12:17:35 PM »
Given the ability to repeatedly observe the effect of thier shots on "real" targets  like players in the game have (if they pay attention) and guns that are not impacted by exessive firing then many ww2 pilots with 50s and Hispanos would have been bringing home gun film with bad guys so far away that you could barely make out the enemy plane if it was even in the FOV of the gun camera film.
In the actual war anyone shooting at 1000 yards would have been laughed at.

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2005, 12:47:26 PM »
Real pilots didn't shoot at long range very often (it did happen though) because wasting ammo on low-probability shots is bad when it's your life on the line. There isn't any dying on a computer game so people take more chances.  Most real pilots didn't deliberately crash their planes into ground targets, either, but nobody is going to call that impossible.  As with long-range gunnery, suicide-crashing also actually happened from time to time.  Point being---don't call something "impossible" just because it didn't happen all that often.  Such "risky" behavior will always be more common in PC games because failure is relatively painless.  It's no different than the Counterstrike players who rush around and take out a few guys before getting killed.

The vision granted by a computer monitor is so poor that if your real vision was that bad you'd be legally blind.  Most people don't realize how far the eye can see in clear conditions because they never have occasion to actually try it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2005, 01:12:57 PM »
You didnt hit a hitbox

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2005, 01:25:10 PM »
IIRC, Hitech's comment was that the default gun zoom represented scale better, and the default forward view better represented the field of view. I'm still not entirely sure on that one, as monitor sizes and screen resolutions would be a major factor in there.
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2005, 01:26:49 PM »
I suppose I could look it up, hub, but I'm too lazy.  You go do it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2005, 01:52:11 PM »
I don't have to look it up. You may safely assume that I am correct.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2005, 01:53:55 PM »
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I don't have to look it up. You may safely assume that I am correct.


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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2005, 01:54:58 PM »
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thats the way i see it too.


but it seems that any kill over 800yrds is deemed BS or bad modling.


It's all a matter of odds and how many times you have taken those types of shots. IRL, pilots weren't shooting at those ranges, for all types of reasons. In AH, you can afford to waste ammo, or go for the lucky shot, or try to ping the bandit to make him turn when he doesn't want to, etc.

Don't forget also, we are free from one thing that WWII pilots always had to take into consideration when shooting at range... Wind and buffeting.

It's kind of like trying to get a shot in basketball from half-court. In most cases, you don't see the shot happen very often because it's a low percentage thing. But once in a while, the shot is taken and it goes in.

It's all chance.

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2005, 01:56:28 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2005, 02:10:38 PM »
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Exactly.  Using the zoom key is in no way gamey.

 

I almost never zoom in for firing for a number of reasons, one of which you already mentioned.  First, as noted, zooming in substantially lowers SA.  That's not such a big deal in duels, but it is a huge deal in the MA.  Second, when zoomed in slight movements in the stick correspond to massive changes in position whereas slight movements while zoomed out yield almost no positional changes.  That means that when you fire zoomed out, you're doing so from a much more stable guns platform and are much less likely to miss due to minor stick adjustments.

It's mostly a matter of preference, but really the only time I'll ever zoom in is when I'm right on someone's six, and he's barely moving at all.  Otherwise I stay zoomed out.

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Thanks for the info.








BTW, if i kill someone from d900, thats great shooting. If i get shot down, its bad modelling :p.
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Re: Re: is this right or is it exploiting a bug?
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2005, 02:49:34 PM »
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:rofl  Get over it man.  All I said yesterday was that "I" could not see at 900 yards.  If you can do it in a game thats fine, but the question was in real life.  If you compare it with real life, "to me", it is BS or pure luck.  Try hitting a target 9 football fields away while you both move at 300mph.  No need to go creazy on me just because I cant see that far, lol

However, the 110 was flying straight so that improves you chances of hitting it.  If the question was can the 50 do damage at that range, the answer is yes.  Is it realistick? no if you can do it everytime.  Once in a while yes, cause luck is realistic.

Non of this matters anyway because it is only a game.



man, what ever made you think anything i have posted has anything to do with you?

lets try and grip the bigger picture for a second vlaxos, if it was anything to do with your opinions of this instance in the CT i would have told you and posted so.
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2005, 02:57:54 PM »
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It's all a matter of odds and how many times you have taken those types of shots. IRL, pilots weren't shooting at those ranges, for all types of reasons. In AH, you can afford to waste ammo, or go for the lucky shot, or try to ping the bandit to make him turn when he doesn't want to, etc.

Don't forget also, we are free from one thing that WWII pilots always had to take into consideration when shooting at range... Wind and buffeting.

It's kind of like trying to get a shot in basketball from half-court. In most cases, you don't see the shot happen very often because it's a low percentage thing. But once in a while, the shot is taken and it goes in.

It's all chance.



spot on, its all chance with a fair bit of virtual experience and lucky judgment of lead. if you watch the film the long burts that kill the 110 is fired at such a lead to look stupid to anyone not understanding speed, movement etc.


and also a note on the zoom, it wont show it in the film viewer as the zoom mode is a slider, but my zoom for shooting is only ever at a max of 15%. as mentioned i can't stand the difficult responses at such perspective and bad SA.

a 21" monitor helps, and the belief that that shot is not impossible.

heaping a stream of 500 rounds is going to kill from 800 yrds if it hits, is my only main point. that and the need for luck to achieve it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2005, 02:58:27 PM »
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man, what ever made you think anything i have posted has anything to do with you?

lets try and grip the bigger picture for a second vlaxos, if it was anything to do with your opinions of this instance in the CT i would have told you and posted so.


:lol  Nice, you got me now.
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2005, 03:00:20 PM »
honestly mate, i am not trying to get anyone ever. i like you, i am not too good at the smak talk as i take things to literally at times. mainly because i dont mess around with what i have to say, so i expect others to be honest in their agenda.

S! for good fights last night.
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