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Offline Wolfala

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2005, 08:40:17 PM »
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im just surprised that local app/dep atc didnt pick it up on radar and dispatch the guard to check it out.. whats cruise speed for that ac? prolly above VFR minimums..


Depends how the radar is displaying and how much crap its filtering out from primary returns - i.e. birds, weather, etc. Its not the hardest thing to do - you can hotwire any plane that has a magneto system with a pair of plyers and a cresent wrench. Bigger they get, the easier they are to start. Anyway you cut it, he'll get a slap.

Youthful exhuberence - 90 day to 1 year suspension with 5 years on your record and then yr clean. The felony charge depends if the owner decides to press charges. Either way, this will be forgotten in a week. Planes get stolen everyday and no one gives a damn - this 1 just happened to be a jet and the kid just happened to get busted.
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2005, 09:30:33 PM »
Right, except with fuel costs where they are, it'll turn into a felony because of the $$$ involved.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2005, 09:55:36 PM »
Jebuz, you'd think the poor guy HO'd someone or something.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2005, 10:01:23 PM »
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Heard about this from my buddy yesterday who's still i FL.  He's typed in a Westwind (IA-Jet).  I don't know about the Citation VII's but I've helped the MX crews on a Citation III (Still a C-650) and its no chore to start and the airspeeds aren't anything to write home about.



you're a god... just keep saying it....

oh, wait, you're Straiga's son....  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2005, 10:18:40 PM »
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Right, except with fuel costs where they are, it'll turn into a felony because of the $$$ involved.


     The damage on the wing sounds more serious, we used to have a 650
based at Morristown that tagged a deer with the leading edge.  Cost more
than $70K for a 3 foot section.  Ironic that it was owned by Associated
Aviation Underwriters, huh? ;)
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2005, 10:34:45 PM »
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The damage on the wing sounds more serious, we used to have a 650
based at Morristown that tagged a deer with the leading edge.  Cost more
than $70K for a 3 foot section.  Ironic that it was owned by Associated
Aviation Underwriters, huh? ;)



IRONIC allright:)

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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2005, 12:02:24 AM »
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you're a god... just keep saying it....

oh, wait, you're Straiga's son....  :rolleyes:


And you're an ass.  :rolleyes: I never said I flew the P-51 I said give the guy a fair shot (I'd do the same for you but you're too thick headed to realize that)

Do you somehow worship me, or are you somehow jealous of my amazing talent to push a start button and move a power lever a couple inches on a chocked jet that isn't going anywhere?  Get over yourself.

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Youthful exhuberence - 90 day to 1 year suspension with 5 years on your record and then yr clean.


In one of my aviation law classes I was given a situation where something similar happened.  I don't know if I have the paper on my new machine but it was one of the role-playing situations where I'm the FAA inspector what do I do.

Example:  brand new owner of a new to him airplane runs out of fuel on short final repositioning home after higher than expected fuel burn.  No passengers and nobody on ground hurt.  A lot of the class took the pilot's tickets but I went with the attitude that nobody got hurt, he won't be doing it again and he's a safer pilot now than he ever was so I let him keep his tickets and put a letter in his file.

Any rate...I had an airplane theft case that involved a former partner taking an airplane from one airport to another because he was upset with the rest of the partners.  I for one don't have any love for a few things...Drugs, Rape and Theft fit the category.  This time I took his tickets.  I respectfully hope that you're wrong on the slap Wolf, not that he'd be able to get a job anyway if the employer does their homework.  I hope the felony sticks.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2005, 12:12:26 AM »
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And you're an ass.  :rolleyes: I never said I flew the P-51 I said give the guy a fair shot (I'd do the same for you but you're too thick headed to realize that)

Do you somehow worship me, or are you somehow jealous of my amazing talent to push a start button and move a power lever a couple inches on a chocked jet that isn't going anywhere?  Get over yourself.

 

In one of my aviation law classes I was given a situation where something similar happened.  I don't know if I have the paper on my new machine but it was one of the role-playing situations where I'm the FAA inspector what do I do.

Example:  brand new owner of a new to him airplane runs out of fuel on short final repositioning home after higher than expected fuel burn.  No passengers and nobody on ground hurt.  A lot of the class took the pilot's tickets but I went with the attitude that nobody got hurt, he won't be doing it again and he's a safer pilot now than he ever was so I let him keep his tickets and put a letter in his file.

Any rate...I had an airplane theft case that involved a former partner taking an airplane from one airport to another because he was upset with the rest of the partners.  I for one don't have any love for a few things...Drugs, Rape and Theft fit the category.  This time I took his tickets.  I respectfully hope that you're wrong on the slap Wolf, not that he'd be able to get a job anyway if the employer does their homework.  I hope the felony sticks.


     Aren't you supposed to have at least a 45 minute VFR fuel reserve?
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2005, 12:22:33 AM »
30 minutes for Day-VFR.  45 for Night VFR and all IFR operations.

I don't remember the exact 'parameters' if you will of the case.  It was a 4 hour flight with the airplane holding enough fuel for 5 hours before it runs day (1 hr reserve with full tanks for this flight).  It stipulated he was new to the airplane and according to the arbitrary performance numbers I was given it should have made it.

Something like Airplane burns X gallons per hour at this power setting, wx for whole flight is YYYº at ZZ Knots.  All told the flight had a time enroute of 4 hours with 5 hours FOB.

I reasoned that because he was new to the airplane and it was his first flight and improper technique was to blame.  He ended up on airport property, nobody was hurt and the airplane didn't sustain substantial damage (Gear up landing in grass)

The result was a very expensive lesson.  I'd have to find the paper to give more details.  It's also noteworthy that nobody else took the time to figure out whether or not he had the fuel on board to even make the flight.  They stopped at "he ran out of gas...let me have his tickets" whereas I wanted to find out why he ran out of gas.  Improper leaning such as burning 22 gallons per hour instead of 16 would do the trick.

At the time I was quite interested in the NTSB and investigative services so I had a LOT of fun with the projects like these.


Disclaimer The whole situation was fictional, however I'm sure it's happened but I don't know what happened in those cases
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2005, 01:52:03 AM »
It's a good thing he is just an idiot.  He could have been a misguided religious zealot.
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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2005, 09:43:13 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2005, 10:05:32 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2005, 10:37:29 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2005, 10:52:45 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2005, 10:55:11 AM »
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