Author Topic: Lousy call (Read 1269 times)

Hoarach · « **Reply #30 on:** October 14, 2005, 04:04:03 PM »

You would think they would institute something like the NFL has with the ability to challange the call of the officials.

Golfer · « **Reply #31 on:** October 14, 2005, 09:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by moose
well golfer, would do abuse your kids if the ump signalled out too?

Perhaps you misunderstood the open handed smack on a helmet for a piledriver or some other kind of pro wrestling move.

moose · « **Reply #32 on:** October 14, 2005, 09:16:22 PM »

perhaps you misunderstood my sarcasm

Golfer · « **Reply #33 on:** October 14, 2005, 09:29:17 PM »

If there's sarcasm there it's dryer than death valley not in the rainy season.

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ASTAC · « **Reply #34 on:** October 15, 2005, 09:49:17 AM »

Ya know..it's just baseball..I hardly classify it as a sport anymore..mainly just a game of the pitcher and catcher playing catch for a few hours.

Dnil · « **Reply #35 on:** October 15, 2005, 11:49:29 AM »

more importantly why is that a rule at all? Whats the reasoning behind a guy striking out but being allowed to run simply because the catcher dropped the ball?

The astros won a game earlier this year when the guy struck out but made it to first. Pitcher gets a K but its no out. Really stupid rule.

myelo · « **Reply #36 on:** October 15, 2005, 04:01:47 PM »

Dnil,

Many of the rules of baseball are the way they are because at some point in hisotry, somebody figured a way to get an unfair advantage. An example is the infield fly rule.

As for the "3rd strike not caught" rule, in the 19th century the batter could try to run to first after every last strike -- nobody "struck out", they had to be put out. Back then, the catcher played about 30-40 feet behind the plate and fielded pitches on the bounce. So it wasn't always easy to get the throw to first in time for the out.

But then catchers discovered protective gear. They moved up, right behind the plate and caught piches on the fly. Now it was easy to throw to first in time, or even easier, just reach out an tag the batter.

Then catchers discovered something else. Say there was less than 2 outs and a runner at first. On a third strike, they would throw to SECOND -- getting a force out on the runner at first. Then they would throw to first, getting a "cheap" double play.

So they changed the rules so that when the 3rd strike was caught by the catcher, the batter was automatically out. This prevented the force on the base runners.

Then catchers -- who really are smarter than they look -- started intentionally dropping the 3rd strike. This made the batter a runner and you're back to the possibility of a cheap double play.

So finally, they added another part of the rule -- if first base is occupied with fewer than 2 outs, it doesn't matter it the catcher fields the 3rd strike pitch cleanly or no, the batter is out.

Dnil · « **Reply #37 on:** October 15, 2005, 06:47:50 PM »

should have just eliminated it all together. If the catcher drops a 3rd strike guys should still be out, take a seat. I guess from your description its an archaic rule that needs to be gone.

moose · « **Reply #38 on:** October 15, 2005, 08:10:01 PM »

another blown call by the HP umpire tonight. this is atrocious

Golfer · « **Reply #39 on:** October 15, 2005, 09:34:02 PM »

The same calls have been there all season every season for as long as baseball.

Just cause now people decide to watch they're all experts

moose · « **Reply #40 on:** October 15, 2005, 10:03:58 PM »

golfer this is the playoffs and the umpires have been hand selected - this is supposed to be the 'cream of the crop', per say. umpiring in baseball has always been a sham, with the questec system only recently starting to at least make the strike zone a little bit more consistant.

i'm a die hard redsox fan and the reversed calls last year in the ALCS were groundbreaking and at the time i had hoped it was a trend towards getting the call right, even if the umpire had to admit he's wrong. apparently it wasn't because two very important calls now have gone against the angels and it could easily be LA with the 3-1 lead in the series. the catcher interference tonight would have loaded the bases with 1 down in a two run game - instead it was a DP and Chicago scored to take any momentum right back.

and no, i'm not an expert (because i'd prolly be part of the bosox thinktank if i was) but as a baseball fan i'm about as knowledgable as you can get. however no matter what your interest (or in my case, obsession) with the sport you should expect the rules to be the same for both teams.

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 15, 2005, 11:14:12 PM »

THE CHAIR....................THE CHAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

RightF00T · « **Reply #42 on:** October 16, 2005, 01:32:57 AM »

Speaking of lousy calls....anyone watch the UGA vs Vanderbilt football game. The refs denied Vanderbilt of any chance of making a comeback, after calling a touchdown for a ball that clearly touched the ground in replay.

myelo · « **Reply #43 on:** October 16, 2005, 07:48:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
should have just eliminated it all together. If the catcher drops a 3rd strike guys should still be out, take a seat. I guess from your description its an archaic rule that needs to be gone.

Well it's a 200-year old game. If you want to watch a new sport, watch the x-games.

Dinger · « **Reply #44 on:** October 16, 2005, 08:31:39 AM »

The rules are the same. The method of application is likewise antequated. That's the way we like our baseball. If you want to see selective refereeing, watch the NBA. If you want to hear old geezers whine about how 50 years ago a single bad call in game 2 of the LCS cost the best team in the league the series, or how an overeager fan's catch of a foul ball ruined the only hope chicago ever had, you watch baseball.
Go sox!