Getting rid of the A-10?

[Shifty]

This coming from people playing a war game. That's like starting an organization called Christians Against Christ.  

Well we'll have to get rid of every fully tracked armoured combat vehicle in the world first. Good luck with that. The sheer volume we put out at BAE Systems, York alone would keep the SU-25 in business for decades to come. I can only imagine what the Rooskies are resetting and remanufacturing over there in tankland.

I don't think you're following me. The reason you need it isn't the armored vehicles, its the regimes that control them. The truth is every country will always have a need to protect themselves from aggression by others. No amount of Kumbaya singing is going to change that. It's been that way since Sargon's conquest of Sumer at the Battle of Ur in c. 2271 BC. It will remain that way as long as there are people. It's human nature and always has been. Even if the human race nuked intself into the stone age survivors and their offspring will continue to fight over food land and power.
Like Albert Einstein said.. "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

[Rino]

     Does anyone really think a future threat is going to involve mass armor attacks?  It's not like
the bad guys are stupid, which is why they've gone mostly to asymmetrical warfare.  The adage
of "If you can see it, you can kill it." has a very definite impact on the types of threat we are likely
to see.

     Plus any large scale conventional force sort of implies infrastructure and command and control.
Al Queda and friends don't seem to possess these.

[RngFndr]

Al Queda and friends don't seem to possess these.

No command and Control??? Hmmm, guess that depends on who their "Friends" are..
But I agree in general about the massed Armored Attack.. Not likely..

[Blinder]

No command and Control??? Hmmm, guess that depends on who their "Friends" are..
But I agree in general about the massed Armored Attack.. Not likely..

The speculation of massed armoured attacks is a moot point. You can keep every Challenger, Abrams, Leclerc, Leopard and T-90 back at their ramps and parked in neat little rows with the turrets turned and locked. Simply because they exist, the A-10 and the Su-25 have a reason for being.

Just like the ram bow that was still present in 1941 on several classes of American dreadnoughts, the 21st Century world is very reluctant to release it's 60 ton battlefield monsters to the pages of history because of tradition and the status symbol they represent for the leadership that still remembers the Cold War and the what-if scenarios so vividly portrayed by Tom Clancy and Harold Coyle.

Will they eventually go the way of the Dodo? Perhaps. In our time no two democracies have ever gone to war with one another so the need for heavy armoured battalions may eventually run its course. However, today and here and now we are still in a transition era where the sight of a column of main battle tanks is still impressive enough to earn their keep.

P.S. = Blinder <----- USMC tanker ( M60A1 & M1A1 )  1989-1997. 

[RngFndr]

The speculation of massed armoured attacks is a moot point. You can keep every Challenger, Abrams, Leclerc, Leopard and T-90 back at their ramps and parked in neat little rows with the turrets turned and locked. Simply because they exist, the A-10 and the Su-25 have a reason for being.

Just like the ram bow that was still present in 1941 on several classes of American dreadnoughts, the 21st Century world is very reluctant to release it's 60 ton battlefield monsters to the pages of history because of tradition and the status symbol they represent for the leadership that still remembers the Cold War and the what-if scenarios so vividly portrayed by Tom Clancy and Harold Coyle.

Will they eventually go the way of the Dodo? Perhaps. In our time no two democracies have ever gone to war with one another so the need for heavy armoured battalions may eventually run its course. However, today and here and now we are still in a transition era where the sight of a column of main battle tanks is still impressive enough to earn their keep.

Can't really disagree with anything you said.. Transition is right, but stuff is happening at a mighty quick pace..
There are other systems online now, that can deal with the threat of an "armored column" in a much more efficient manner than an A10.. Less muss, less fuss, less at risk..

[Blinder]

Can't really disagree with anything you said.. Transition is right, but stuff is happening at a mighty quick pace..
There are other systems online now, that can deal with the threat of an "armored column" in a much more efficient manner than an A10.. Less muss, less fuss, less at risk..

If this were 1911, I'd be hard pressed not to be the guy saying that the battleship will reign supreme for decades to come and that the flimsy paper thin aeroplane and it's absurd looking flat decked aeroplane carrier can and never will trump the mighty superdreadnought.

However, history teaches us better. All I can say is that if and when the main battle tank joins the dreadnought in oblivion ..... it will most certainly break the heart of this old salty tanker.

[RngFndr]

If this were 1911, I'd be hard pressed not to be the guy saying that the battleship will reign supreme for decades to come and that the flimsy paper thin aeroplane and it's absurd looking flat decked aeroplane carrier can and never will trump the mighty superdreadnought.

However, history teaches us better. All I can say is that if and when the main battle tank joins the dreadnought in oblivion ..... it will most certainly break the heart of this old salty tanker.

Tanks ain't gone yet.. Time is coming tho, the new tech is just gettin too dangerous for them..
Gonna miss them too, because what I see as their replacement, is scarin the hell outta me..

[Lusche]

Tanks ain't gone yet.. Time is coming tho, the new tech is just gettin too dangerous for them..
Gonna miss them too, because what I see as their replacement, is scarin the hell outta me..

Me too...

[Blinder]

Me too...


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Me Three ...

[RngFndr]

  Great humor.. But I can see you understand as well..

Seen a pic of a Baseball Grenade, on a 6 legged spider bot..
LOL, and they can equip it with sensors that seek the electrical
impulse of your heart.. Just great!

[Blinder]

Great humor.. But I can see you understand as well..

Seen a pic of a Baseball Grenade, on a 6 legged spider bot..
LOL, and they can equip it with sensors that seek the electrical
impulse of your heart.. Just great!

This makes me think of the 1980s movie Real Genius. I'm amazed that we're not frying each other from space. Of course, maybe we already are. People disappear without a trace everyday.   

[RngFndr]

Yeah, with the Popcorn..
Funny Movie..