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Offline rabbidrabbit

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« on: October 13, 2005, 05:05:58 PM »
OK,

House remodel is coming along and I need to think about my kitchen cabinets.  The originals are out or coming out so I have a clean slate to work with.  I'm thinking about building the new ones in place and buying the fronts from HD or Lowes.  Can anyone toss me a bone on whats the best way to go about buying the rollers, trim, other interior parts like drawers?  Any ideas on whats the best course of action?  I hate paying HD or Lowes so much for so little.

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 11:35:26 PM »
I built my own out of birch plywood and used thermofoil for the doors/drawer fronts.  It was hilariously easy to do.  I built them in place as well. with the money I saved I was able to pay for granite counter tops.  this was five years ago. I'll look up the receipts for the hardware and post tomorrow.  good luck

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2005, 09:42:14 AM »
Any pointers to suppliers etc would be handy.... Google is not my friend so far.

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2005, 03:26:32 PM »
I can't find the file for the remodelling project.  It may be with a bunch of IRS stuff stored in my warehouse.  what I do recall is having purchased the majority of the hardware from a place called Vladimir Laminates in Miami, (actually Hialeah Gardens) Florida you may want to call them.  try national 411.  They are a wholesaler that will sell to the public.

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2005, 04:55:03 PM »
cabinet making is NOT easy unless you know what you are doing AND have all the right tools.

i know most about face frame cabinets, and could make them still, not having dont it in over 10 years lol.

i could never scribe to the wall well though.

for face frame cabinets, make the sides, the back is bare, with a rail across the top... in the middle you have to space the "walls" at the exact distance for the doors to go between (calculating the face frame width, and the center rail width).

like this: |_|_|


lets say you are going to make 14 3/8" width doors... thats 28 3/4 space for the doors you need. if the face frame rails on the hinge sides are 2 3/4" in the middle 2" on the ends, then you need to make the center wall 31" from the end wall. there will be a 1 1/4" overhang of the FF on the end, 1" overhand on either side in the middle.

that is for doors with no center support where they meet. that is also for flush mount doors with hidden hinges. if you want the doors to be outside the frame (a more usual application) you need to know the needed overhang for the hinges you will be using. then you must subtract that times 2 for the distance between the rails.

if you are adding a center support brace, you must figure the total door overhang, the subtract that, after adding the width of the center FF brace.

also, unless you an expert with biscuts / dowels, making the face frame is going to be a MAJOR *****.

all this for 1 simple 4 door cabinet with a "wall" between the sections.

to be honest, with NO disrespect intended, i always chuckle when people plan on making their own cabinets, unless they truly know what they are doing. i have seen many many try it, only to break down and buy cabinets later.

if you are serious, look into a book on face frame cabinet making, read it thoroughlly and make sure you understand it all before going buying wood, and stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2005, 05:16:38 PM »
I wish I could post photos.  They were my first try at cabinet making.  I have a good old delta table saw, a nice router table a nice compound mitre saw and all the hand and power tools you could name.  these tools are utilized to make wooden gates for people that want them.  I found it rediculously easy to make the cabinets.

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2005, 05:20:11 PM »
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Originally posted by storch
I wish I could post photos.  They were my first try at cabinet making.  I have a good old delta table saw, a nice router table a nice compound mitre saw and all the hand and power tools you could name.  these tools are utilized to make wooden gates for people that want them.  I found it rediculously easy to make the cabinets.
thos are some of the right tools... the people i chuckle at is the ones with the 3hp table top "table saw" and a hand saw or 2 thinking that they can go at cabinets in a weekend :rofl


personally after working with a GOOD panel saw, and panel router, i dont even know if i could go back.... add in the belt face sander that had a 48" wide path, and would make a 14 foot rail piece perfetly flat in 45 seconds :p :aok
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2005, 05:39:06 PM »
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thos are some of the right tools... the people i chuckle at is the ones with the 3hp table top "table saw" and a hand saw or 2 thinking that they can go at cabinets in a weekend :rofl


personally after working with a GOOD panel saw, and panel router, i dont even know if i could go back.... add in the belt face sander that had a 48" wide path, and would make a 14 foot rail piece perfetly flat in 45 seconds :p :aok
well now, while it was easy it by no means was done on a weekend.  I spent close to one month of afternoons plus 12 hours each weekend on the project.  The kitchen measures 20x12 and it's floor to ceiling cabinets except where the stove, fridge, oven and microwave are and over the sink where there is a window looking out towards the lake.  The estimates ranged from $28k at the low end to $46k.  IIRC I spent about $6k in plywood, thermofoil doors, glass, glue fasteners and hardware.  The granite countertops cost me $9k plus $4k for installation.  I had a few errors, some of the drawers were an 1/8" too wide.  I had no idea that an 1/8" could make such a big deal so I ended up repeating some of them.  It really drove home the wisdom of "measure twice cut once".  Honestly if I had to do it again I would.  Taking the low number I "earned" $10k that month in my spare time.

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2005, 06:04:48 PM »
sounds like you learned,  and had a good time :aok

doing rough framing in my buddies basement, we had no idea a wall with NON-16" on center studs would make a difference that much....

and a wall with a door in it being just a hair off level would be a problem...


we now know MUCH better :rofl

i really dont think  there IS an "easy" or correct way to frame in a 60 year old unfinished basement anyway,  but at least we can say we tried, and probably saved $40k doing all the work our selves.
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