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Offline Fury

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« on: July 09, 2001, 10:48:00 AM »
The Muskegon Air Fair was this last weekend.  This year the big attraction was the Blue Angels (been a few years since I saw them).

Anyways, my wife surprised me with an early Christmas gift -- a ride on the CAF Texas Raiders B17!  (and here I was thinking she just hated my addiction   ;))

I'm not much of a storyteller so please bear with me.  However, if you are geeked about WWII airplanes in the slightest, don't miss this opportunity if you get it.

The biggest impression I got was how small it really is inside, even though it looks so large from the outside.  Crawling on hands and knees, underneath the pilot/copilots, to get into the forward positions; walking across the bomb bay on a platform barely wider than my feet; skirting around the upper part of the ball turret to get towards the back.  Although we could not go back to the rear gunner position, it was another hands and knees thing to get back there from the waist gunner positions.

All in all it was a very smooth ride, even smoother than some commercial flights I've been on.  Even during a few tight circles (yes the radius seemed small), and takeoff/landing.  

And it's quite loud, especially up front with those propellers spinning a few feet away from your head.  With the waist gunner windows open, I can't imagine they did not freeze to death (we were only a couple thousand feet up, but 140 mph with windows open and high alt -- wow).

The best thing was that I got to sit in the bombardier position during takeoff.  The seat is right behind the Norden, which is of course in the nose of the airplane, right where the bubble starts.  My thighs overflowed the sides of the tiny seat (and I am not a big person); there was very little back support, and a single seatbelt that ran across my thighs instead of my waist.  You can't get any more forward than this position... my feet overhung the plexiglass as we took off, and I could easily lean forward and basically be outside the fuselage -- inside the bubble.  We even flew over some factories, and I got to look through the Norden and watched the crosshair cross over the factory and smokestack.

The gunner posistions -- I really can't see how most of the gunners could track well (but maybe I was just excited).  There was basically no vision in the forward guns (except for the bubble -- but that's not where the guns were pointing).  The top gunner has a nice bubble.  The waist gunners had a great view, but I tried to imagine myself on my knees or on a short seat, tracking the gun back and forth....it looked hard.  Unfortunately we had to view the ball and rear positions from the outside, but neither one looked like it had much room and would be easy to shoot from.

As a bonus, one of the riders was a vet that flew 20 sorties, mainly as the ball gunner.

It was a total blast, and gave me a better appreciation for what these crew did for their country in WWII.

Fury
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[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Fury ]

Offline JimBear

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »
You lucky DDog!  escuse me while I finish turning green  ;)

Offline mietla

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2001, 04:32:00 PM »
Wow! wtg Fury

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2001, 04:38:00 PM »
i've had the pleasure of sitting in that same seat!! same AC!!

you really don't know how small those AC are untill you jump inside! I got to sit in the co-pilots seat, and when he says those propellars are a couple feet away from your head, he's not kidding. I'm 6' and when i sat down i almost had to scrunch down just so i wouldn't bump my head against the hull of the cockpit!

i know 2 folks that are on the XO (i think that's what they call it, anyhow, they do all the selling t-shirts and tickets etc etc) Art and Barbara are their names. Did you happen to meat them too fury?

anyhow, i suggest to ANYONE that can get inside one of these wonderful machines, do so!!

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2001, 05:34:00 PM »
Arrrrgh!!!

I hate my sister!  

I was set to start my stint as a volunteer at the museum in Galveston this month where they house one of those great B-17's.  Thunderbird is her name.  I was really looking forward to putting in my time helping to keep her and the other planes there in top condition.  

Unfortunately my sister's decision to move forced me to up my own timetable and move back to Dallas earlier than I wanted to and I had to cancel my plans to become a volunteer.

I am planning on looking into the Cavanaugh Flight Museum here in Addison and seeing if they have any type of similar program here.  If anybody in the Dallas area knows any info about a volunteer program at Cavanaugh...let me know.   :)

Great story fellas...I am truly envious.

Offline mietla

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2001, 06:35:00 PM »
As a proud member of Tom Reilly's "Fortress Flight" crew, I get a ride in the B-17G #42-31636 "Outhouse Mouse" (once it is finished), and a ride in one of the restored already restored B-25's, when I get to Kissimmee.

I'm really looking forward to it.

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2001, 08:25:00 PM »
About a month ago I stopped at the Corvallis OR airport and snapped a couple pics of these two:
 http://www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/b171.JPG
 http://www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/b172.JPG
 http://www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/mustang.JPG

You can't tell, but the engines on the b17 were still running in the first pic.  It's a very cool sound.  :)

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2001, 05:42:00 AM »
Sling,

There is a volunteer program at Cavanaugh. I found out when I hosted the 99 AW con and got to work with these people a lot to set up the tours. The other really nice side benefit of working there are some of the older volunteers are WWII Vets. The P-40 there is painted up for Charlie Bonds from the AVG and he was also working there as a volunteer in 99. Dunno if he still is or not but he is not a talkitive fellow. Some of the other guys there are though. One was a British F4U jockey on one of their CVs. Good luck out there.

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2001, 07:57:00 AM »
http://www.dispatch.com/news/news01/july01/761982.html
"Texas Raiders" is in Columbus this week, giving proper tours.  Last year about this time on it's way to Dayton it made an unscheduled stop here at Ohio State airport because of engine trouble.  I took the tour but none of the waist guns or the other eye candy were out so I that bummed me out now that I see pics of it all decked out.

I agree that the biggest thing that caught me was how small it was. I am 6'2" and there was no way that I would be able to get anywhere in a hurry in that aircraft.  My Grand-Uncle was a ball turrent gunner (different aircraft though) and I have so much more respect for their role now.

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2001, 07:59:00 AM »
Fury!!!  Don't forget that "Texas Raiders" is classified as a museum and that the fee you paid for your ride is tax-deductible.   :D