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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2005, 08:21:29 AM »
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Does that mean wings like a Tomcat?  Or just angled back?


if its talking in todays terms a "variable swept" wing means it varies. aka the same wing as the RAF Tornado today.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2005, 01:56:39 PM »
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The La-7 was about 44mph faster than the FW-190 (its main nemesis).



So that would put the La-7 at around 476 mph :P  LOL

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2005, 08:25:57 AM »
The fastest 190 I have listed im my book is the F-3 at 395 mph so even at that the LA-7 would only be 439 mph. it would depend on what 190 they were compairing it to.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2005, 08:32:57 AM »
I always thought the fastest Fw-190 would be the D-9? (At altitude)

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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2005, 08:53:09 AM »
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The fastest 190 I have listed im my book is the F-3 at 395 mph so even at that the LA-7 would only be 439 mph. it would depend on what 190 they were compairing it to.


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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2005, 09:31:42 AM »
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I always thought the fastest Fw-190 would be the D-9? (At altitude)


  Probably yes but my book didn't list the D9 so all I could do was list the fastest one I had reference on sorry for the confusion.  and we don't know what 190 they were compairing tha LA-7 to for the speed.
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2005, 01:14:30 PM »
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You havent heard about the 3 gun la7 then I guess. No more then 20 were made in the whole was .......................



This is rubbish.............  74 were built in one plant in Jan 45 alone with 3 x B20 version production increasing thru Feb, Mar, April 45 until well over 350 were delivered by May 45. (Gordon)

Infact the B20 was not well recieved in the field. Whilst it increased the weight of fire power to that originally specified it was considered unreliable with a service life typically less than 3500 rnds when the original specification called for a service life opf 5000 rnds. (Vestsik)

Just under 4000 La7's were reportedly built by May 45 and over 6000 by the end of 45.

Gorky produced.....4,610
Moscow produced......1,298
Ulan Ude produced..... 250

(Vestsik)


if the AR234 had a rear gun gun siht than its reasonable to wish it be modelled...........
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2005, 02:28:44 PM »
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Probably yes but my book didn't list the D9 so all I could do was list the fastest one I had reference on sorry for the confusion.  and we don't know what 190 they were compairing tha LA-7 to for the speed.


Are they comparing it to the 190 A1?  Even still the La-7's top speed would be put around 431 mph.  Who the hell writes these books you guys are buying?

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2005, 02:48:31 PM »
As AG said this topic has been beaten to death.

But anyway the Periscope wasn't just used to see 6 o'clock (it wasn't used necessarily to aim the guns as they were fixed) but could be turned forward and used a 'glide bombsight'.  This way the 234 could bomb from altitude by entering into a shallow dive.

Also while were are on 'bombsight',  the 234 bombsight was automated in that the pilot lined up on a general heading to target and engaged auto pilot. He then rotated the control column out of the way and then looked through the bomb site and locked (marked) the site on the target. The 234 adjusted course via the autopilot and then released the bombs on target automatically.

But as a bomber the 234 wasn't that great. It was mostly used a recce. The only 234 to see any kind of significant service is the 234b.

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When operated as a bomber, the Ar-234 could be used in shallow dive attacks, low-level horizontal attacks, or high-altitude horizontal attacks. In shallow dive attacks, the pilot would drop from about 5,000 meters to under 1,500 meters (16,400 to 4,920 feet), aiming the bombs through the periscopic sight that stuck up above the cockpit. In low-level horizontal attack, used only when the target was obscured, the pilot simply flew level and dropped the bombs when it seemed appropriate. Results were not generally very impressive.

High-altitude horizontal attacks were particularly interesting. Since the Ar-234 was a single-seat aircraft, the pilot had to double as the bombardier, and did so with the help of a sophisticated Patin autopilot system. The pilot would fly to within about 30 kilometers (19 miles) of the target, engage the autopilot, swivel the control column out of his way to the right, and then lean over and sight the target through the Lotfe 7K bomb sight. The bomb sight was linked to the autopilot. As long as the pilot held the target in the crosshairs, the autopilot would change the aircraft's heading accordingly, and then the bomb sight would automatically drop the bombs at the right moment.

In principle, the Ar-234B had a pair of fixed rearward-firing 20 millimeter MG-151/20 cannon for protecting its tail, with the pilot sighting the guns through the periscope. Not only did the pilot have to be his own bombardier, he was his own tail gunner as well. However, in practice the guns were not always fitted and were never an important feature of the aircraft. Armor plate was attached to the rear wall of the cockpit to give the pilot a little protection.


Also, if you look at AH's 190s event the A-5 does 415mph or so at FTH. The fastest A series 190 was the A-9, the fastest production 190 was the Dora-9.

If your books tell you other wise burn them.

FYI an F-3 is basically an A-5 made into a fighter-bomber. Both the F-8 and F-9 were faster on the deck.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2005, 02:50:39 PM »
fyi, bring the STUVI to AH for the Junkers...;)

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2005, 06:23:12 PM »
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fyi, bring the STUVI to AH for the Junkers...;)


well they did produce the D-11 and D-12 :P  But we already know the numbers were just over 2 hands worth :P  Still they did haul arse, the D-9 is and always will be the most beautiful of the 190's :P  If ya think the 190's we have now roll quick, the earlier models were insane :P  

The 234 like a lot of other LW mounts had the options of installing or not installing gun packages.  A lot of time they weren't for saving weight.  It would be a nice feature to be able to remove the Cowl guns to save some weight.

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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2005, 08:04:23 PM »
http://gunsight.jp/b/english/data/sight-egg.htm

The last scope at the bottom of the images is the periscope for aiming the rear guns in the AR234 all models.

The bomb sight was not used to aim the rear guns.
The periscope is already modeled into the airplane in the game please add the ability to use this feature.

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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2005, 08:19:24 PM »
It would BE in the game if it COULD be in the game. The reason it is not is because there's no easy way to add it, programming-wise.

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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2005, 08:22:31 PM »
Why can't they just make it a turret? Press 2 and your in the site. I don't know if those guns moved or not, I assume the did to a small degree. You just have to set the end stops for the movement. easy!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2005, 08:30:04 PM »
Well the guns didn't move they were fixed. The problem is you aimed the rear by steering the nose, and if you just make it like a turret you can't control the plane (autopilot kicks in) so it defeats the purpose