Which aircraft would you use?

[Angus]

Belive it was in service in WW2 but found no enemy.
Maybe used in ground strikes though?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Angus
Belive it was in service in WW2 but found no enemy.
Maybe used in ground strikes though?

I used to think so too, but it was not.  It entered service in 1946.

Very impressive prop plane though.

[Angus]

Okay, here goes:
First flight 28.07.1944.
Top speed 472 mph, range 2500 miles, armament 4xHizooka, 2000 lbs ordnance.
Very impresive!
Entered cervice in 1946, saw action after WW2.
Pretty bird!

[Iceman24]

I torp cv's all the time, either JU88's barely off the water, i'm talking 20' in a formation because they carry 2 torps on each plane, so 6 total with a formation, or spawn a PT boat with torps, also SBD is not a bad torp plane either..... Dive bombing with B26's gets it done as well... or just find 2 - 3 ppl and up ju87 stukas and drop some big boys on it... cv's are real easy when close to shore,  just up a PT boat or get in shore battery

[cobia38]

Originally posted by KD303


OK here we go...

Attacking a CV that hasn't twigged it's been spotted, far out to sea. What's best, a large bomber at high altitude? A torpedo bomber? What do you think? ==== AR234===

Attacking a CV a few miles off shore that has already started pounding a town and base? What's a good plane to try hitting it with? ==AR234==

Which bomber do you prefer to use for general use and why? =LANCASTERS== lotsa boom power !!!

What's your least favourite fighter? Why?  ==190d== cause they allways run.

What's your favourite fighter? Why?  ==A20== very few rides can out turn it,great guns,good armour,decent speed,exelent ord. capacity.

If you can be arsed answering any or some of these questions, I'd appreciate your thoughts. If certain people just want to make spazzy pompous comments about how superior they are and that they wouldn't lower themselves to answer my stupid questions, they can go write them on their own thread, I'm sure they'll be really interesting, only not to anyone other than themselves.
To the rest of you - Thanks -  it's useful for us newbers to get info of this sort on aircraft. I've put it here rather than the newbie forum because it's more specifically about aircraft.
Thanks again,

KD

[ghi]

Originally posted by KD303
Yup, I know the Hornet wasn't used in WWII. Just thought it might attract your attention!
Speaking as a relative newcomer, I'd be interested to read peoples' views on the suitability of different aircraft for different purposes. It'd be interesting to hear what different people would use for the following situations. This has probably been asked many times but I'm sure a lot of the people using this forum are fairly new too so it might be of use.

OK here we go...

Attacking a CV that hasn't twigged it's been spotted, far out to sea. What's best, a large bomber at high altitude? A torpedo bomber? What do you think?

Attacking a CV a few miles off shore that has already started pounding a town and base? What's a good plane to try hitting it with?

Which bomber do you prefer to use for general use and why?

What's your least favourite fighter? Why?

What's your favourite fighter? Why?

If you can be arsed answering any or some of these questions, I'd appreciate your thoughts. If certain people just want to make spazzy pompous comments about how superior they are and that they wouldn't lower themselves to answer my stupid questions, they can go write them on their own thread, I'm sure they'll be really interesting, only not to anyone other than themselves.
To the rest of you - Thanks -  it's useful for us newbers to get info of this sort on aircraft. I've put it here rather than the newbie forum because it's more specifically about aircraft.
Thanks again,

KD

  1.--- I ussed to do it in Lancs, cuz the bombing was not precisse like now, and if i miss it in 1st pass, i have eggs for 3 more passes, loading 14 x1000lbs, salvo 3, CV need 8k.
   But now i use B26s, climbs ok, fast,  best tail guns/amo in the game
 i use A234s-- for emergency, fast cv sunk, lvts close to shore,base vulched. I sunk CVs in A234s from 12-15k doing 400mph, Dive bombing in A234s is fun on CV, 500mph in dive, the acs can't hit me, but you have to hit with all eggs in A234s 3 x3 x 500kg x2.2=9900 lbs


2.  ---B26

3.--- B26s  fast, lot of tail amo, Il2 for Hoing vulchers


4.---all   figters loaded with Hispanos, temp,typhy,HuryC,Chog , cuz those 20 mm damage settings are modeled  unfair,"super uber", comparing with other 20mm,
 Imop kiling with Hispbazookas is more "gay" than flying La7,


5. ---109g10----fast, best climber, alt =energy, energy=life

[Karnak]

ghi,

I challenge you to provide material evidence that the Hispanos hit so massively harder in AH that the MG151/20, B-20, Type 99 Model II, ShVAK or Ho-5.

The Hispano hits about three times as hard as a .50 cal and by your description it hits about 10 times as hard as other 20mm cannons.  We know this is BS.

As I recall, in tests the Type 99 Model II hit 90 or 95% as hard as the Hispano.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Karnak
ghi,

I challenge you to provide material evidence that the Hispanos hit so massively harder in AH that the MG151/20, B-20, Type 99 Model II, ShVAK or Ho-5.

The Hispano hits about three times as hard as a .50 cal and by your description it hits about 10 times as hard as other 20mm cannons.  We know this is BS.

As I recall, in tests the Type 99 Model II hit 90 or 95% as hard as the Hispano.

   This is my oppinion/ observations and maybe is not only me ,about huge diference of damage after playing 3-4years,
Hits from temp.typhy Chog,huricaneC, are much deadly than any other planes loaded with 4x20mm,
German planes loaded with 4x20mm are joke comparing with hispanos,
Where's the maingeschose mg151 shell? should make same , maybe more damage ,
 
    I can disable 3-4 panzers, maybe more depends how i hit, in Huricane2C with 240 rounds of Hispanos,
  Try to do it with the same amount of amo with any plane that has 4x 20mm, niki, fwA5/A8
   Now you tell me  how many panzers were destroyed in WW2,  by HuricaneC"s cannon shells?  Would the 20mm Hispanos penetrate panzer"s armour? Why only hispanos can do it? cuz all others 20mm cannons had armour piercing rounds?

[Karnak]

ghi,

The German mine shells were not loaded on an entire belt.  Yes, they did hit harder than the Hispano round did, but the other rounds in the belt did not hit as hard as the Hispano.  Because AH uses a generic, averaged belt, the German rounds do less than the Hispano because on average the rounds in the German belt did less than the Hispano.  Personally I would like to see each round type in the belt modeled for that given round and allow the player to select a belt from several historical belt loadouts.  No cheesey 100% mine shells or other BS.  This has been covered before in this very forum.

As to killing tanks with Hispanos, well, you must be vastly better than I am at it because ever since the last revision to tank armor I have not been able to do jack all to a Panzer IV H with the four 20mm Hispano Mk IIs/175rpg, on the Mossie.

[Tony Williams]

I'm sure most of you are aware of the analysis of WW2 aircraft gun effectiveness here: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

In terms of average damage per hit for a typical ammo belt loadout, the scores for the principal 20mm guns are:

Hispano = 20
MG 151/20 = 16
Type 99-2 = 15
MG-FF = 14
Type 99-1 = 12
ShVAK = 11
For comparison, the .50 M2 scores 4.6.

When you factor in RoF, the .50 M2, ShVAK and MG 151 move up a bit relative to the Hispano, the Type 99s and the MG-FF move down.

These figures are of course for destructiveness against aircraft, in which HE/I content is important. Against tanks, it's kinetic energy that counts (assuming all are firing solid AP shot). So of the 20mm rounds, the powerful Hispano moves well ahead of everything except the rare Japanese Ho-3. The Hispano AP was capable of penetrating a maximum of something like 35mm in ideal circumstances. The MG 151/20 could manage only 24mm, about the same as the .50 AP. (Note that the practical penetration of all of these rounds would be less - somtimes much less - in operational circumstances).

This is from Flying Guns – World War 2: Development of Aircraft Guns, Ammunition and Installations 1933-45 concerning some tests the RAF carried out against Japanese tanks (admittedly fairly weak with a maximum armour of only 25mm) with a Hurricane IIC firing HEI and SAPI : "The SAP/I rounds were effective against both medium and light tanks, penetrating the turrets several times." The SAPI was less effective at penetration than the AP, probably just a bit better than the .50 AP.

The interesting question is how much use the RAF and USAAF made of the 20mm AP rounds which they had available. While the British extensively used the SAPI from 1942 onwards, the AP did not seem to be much used.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum

[joeblogs]

I thought the big damage in that case was from mines.

-Blogs

Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
Scharnhorst & Gneisenau were at Brest for about a year, before they made the their famous "Channel Rush".
http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/scharnhorst_menu.html

[Karnak]

Originally posted by joeblogs
I thought the big damage in that case was from mines.

-Blogs

I'm not sure I follow you here, but I think you're asking why the MG151/20 doesn't show up higher than the Hispano Mk II on a per hit average.

The reason is that the very destructive mine shells were only one ever four or so places in the belt and the non-mine shells were less destructive than the Hispano.  That causes the average damage to favor the Hispano, but if you landed that one mine shell and compared it to a single Hispano hit the mine shell would do more.  In AH it just averages the performance of the shells in the belt.  That means you don't get those big damage mine hits, but you also don't get weaker hits from the other shells.

[Meyer]

Originally posted by Karnak


The reason is that the very destructive mine shells were only one ever four or so places in the belt  

Not really

 

[Angus]

All up to the armourer, and/or pilot yes?

[Meyer]

depends on the mission, against  4 engine bombers was 1 MG+1AP+1HEIT. against other aircraft 3MG+1AP+1HEIT.... and according to Butch2K, in the east front when was expected to fight IL2, 50% of AP ammo was recommended.