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Offline fd ski

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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2001, 07:00:00 AM »
No, i'm not.  

All i'm saying is that everyday we're tip toeing closer and closer to functional communism. Slow revolution i guess ...

Here is a funny one for you from the land of the free  

There is a railroad here in connecticut, goes from New Haven CT to NYC. Commuter railroad for those who work in the city and live in CT. ( if you ever driven into NYC you'd understand   )
Railroad was ran so badly by the private management that local government asked the federal governemtn to take it over. They did, runs great, on time and place is pretty clean. Ticket prices went down by the huge margin, even thou they are still quite pricey ( monthy from stamford to nyc - about 30 miles - 250$+ )
Point being, in the heart of the capitalism, the socialism for the rich was created. You see, all those suits on the railroad in the morning are in 30%+ tax bracket. They can afford to pay more   Or pay for different mode of transportation, so instead of letting market doing its thing and allowing the railroad to die and be bought, we've created socialism for the rich   Ain't that a squeak ?   Now the taxes of the poor ride the rich folks tulips to work



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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2001, 07:28:00 AM »
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" Now the taxes of the poor ride the rich folks tulips to work "

Just exactly how much tax do the "poor" pay in the US???  How much do the "rich" pay?  That the "poor" subsidise a commuter train is ludicrous.

BTW, the advancement of technology would make Communism even more obsolete i would think.  Old-fashioned, bankrupt ideas aren't too successful in a hi-tech society.......

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"I'm not a communist. I am a liberal"

What's the difference???  Please explain....

Cabby

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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2001, 09:53:00 AM »
Oh my god...

What we had in Russua for 70 years has nothing to do with Communism. It was only a kind of olygarchy exploiting communist ideology as a religious base.

Didn't you read what I wrote? I am against all that "proletarian dictatorship", "social revolution" and other slogans used by criminals to get the power.

If you want to have an idea of Communist society - listen to John Lennon's "Imagine".

I can advise you a few books too (Strugatsky brothers "Midday world" books), but I doubt they were ever translated to English.

I know it's utopia, but it's beautiful. No doubt that sooner or later technological progress, NOT social revolutions and "communists" that enslave their countries will make it true.

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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2001, 12:56:00 PM »
Boroda,

I think the main problem with your posts in the past was an incomplete understanding of humor, sarcasm and innuendo usage in english on your part. Using the terms and words to create a humorous effect in what you are writing or to show disdain is very tough for an outsider. The lack of facial expression in written communications really handicaps what you might be saying.

At least that is what I am beginning to think after seeing the last couple of posts you made. Am I correct in the thought that you are really an anti-communist in reality and are using the titles in your sig as a means of making fun of them??? If this is the case I am beginning to think you are trying to emulate another person on the board (Mietla, I believe) who is a former resident of Russia. Please advise if this is correct.

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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2001, 01:45:00 PM »
Well, Mav, it's a little bit more complicatad...

"Commissar" in my siganture is a joke: when 25th IAP was formed in 1997 we assigned ranks and duties, so I became commissar: "You lucky, comrade commissar, you only have to shut your mouth to make your workplace clean!"  

In your terms I can be called "anti-communist". I don't like modern commies, and my family (as many others) was repressed in Soviet times, before the War.

As any young Soviet student (  ) I know communist ideology and philosophy, and some things are very interesting. For example: I still think that "Dialectical Materialism" is a nice philosophical doctrine, let us call it "creative". But *_DO_* I think that "social revolution" and other ways to "come to Communism" are dangerous nonsence. It's absurd to build up such a repression machine as Soviet State trying to reach "extinction of state".

Edit: Damn, another mistake in previous phrase that made all I wanted to say look absolutely different!!!

Well, it's very hard to explain such things to people who don't know the "sources"  

As for Communism - it's a distant and almost unreachable society where people don't have to work for living, but express themself in creative activity, evryone lives in peace and does his best for everyone's benefit. I REALLY want to live in Midday World, as it was described in "Midday, XXI century. Coming home". This books makes all this dreams look real...

Another great book that shows another view on communism is Vyacheslav Rybakov's "Gravi-ship 'Tsesarevich'". It describes 1990s in a world where Bolsheviks didn't take power, but turned their ideology into a kind of religion, with it's adherents trying to do their best for the Humanity, and becoming the second main religion in Russian Empire. It's a great book, written in early-90s, I hope it will be translated to English sooner or later. Here is a link for a Russian original:
 http://www.lib.ru/RYBAKOW/gravilet.txt

And here is an Esperanto translation:
 http://www.lib.ru/RYBAKOW/graviletesp.txt

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« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2001, 05:30:00 PM »
 
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As for Communism - it's a distant and almost unreachable society where people don't have to work for living, but express themself in creative activity, evryone lives in peace and does his best for everyone's benefit

You can't reason with a religious man  

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« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2001, 06:05:00 PM »
 
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"I'm not a communist. I am a liberal"

What's the difference??? Please explain....

Oh that's rich... mebbe I should compare conservatives to fascists?

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« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2001, 08:07:00 PM »
"I can smell fascism in the air"

Jarrold "The Hut" Nadler speaking about republicans.
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« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2001, 08:25:00 PM »
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"Oh that's rich... mebbe I should compare conservatives to fascists?"

Why not?? It's what Liberals do.  I still would like to know the difference between say, a Clinton Liberal and a Communist.....

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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2001, 12:20:00 AM »
 
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"Oh that's rich... mebbe I should compare conservatives to fascists?"

Why not?? It's what Liberals do.  I still would like to know the difference between say, a Clinton Liberal and a Communist.....

Cabby


Uh... the communist will respect ya in the morning?????  

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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2001, 12:30:00 AM »
double post sigh

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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2001, 02:53:00 AM »
Gentlemen, your constant "liberal vs. conservative" debates look quite silly from Russian point of view. Here "conservatives" are lefts, lead by commies and nationalists, while "liberals" are rights, who stand for free enterprising and limitation of state activities. I support liberals.  

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