Author Topic: Time to end the bomber starvation. (Read 5021 times)

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2005, 09:55:07 PM »

I think you can change settings in the H2H rooms if your host to how long a person stays in tower or sumthin like that:confused: not sure though

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2005, 01:14:25 AM »

Sgt Deaux killing 4 or 5 of more fighters in a bomber is alot, even in AH standards.

What do you think the guy you killed twice say about bombers?
He was a in a fighter, it's been historicaly proven that bombers are (most of the time) minced meat when attacked by fighters when the bombers lack escort, even the heavily armed B17's and B24's.

If you don't wanna die on your 30k high alt long range missions after killing 5 enemies already I sugest you fly with friends, that way you will have twice the amount of guns and twice the amount of ammo.

The bombers are too dangerous if anything

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Today I bombed an airbase in B-26's from 12k. Not an uncommon altitude for that plane in a historical sense.

Looks like you wanna "fly" historical, or atleast in this case compare it to historical altitudes and yet you complain after killing 4 fighters (again). Do you think this happaned often during the War? B26 came in mid alt then shot down 4 fighters?

You're mixing historical comparisons with the game ones in order to make the best for your self. Or atleast that is my impression.

Final point, no thanks, MA is Furball Arena, like it or not. I am not too fond of it, I think it has passed a point where the endless furball and and gangbang has come too far and made the game boring.

Do what I do, take a break, wait for ToD...

Rino · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:55:23 AM »

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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
I AM good with the bomber guns.
However Being good with the guns and not being able to land and reload after fending off 10 planes over the course of the flight means you will eventually run outta ammo.. The tilt is in favor of the fighters.
To illustrate this point.
Today I bombed an airbase in B-26's from 12k.
Not an uncommon altitude for that plane in a historical sense.
I managed to take down 4 fighters over that base.. to include the same guy 2 times.
I began a mad sprint home knowing the LA-7 flood would soon begin.
Sure enough up came 4 LA-7's the same people who had just met a firey death 10 seconds earlier. I managed to down two of them before they got one of my drones.
The next pass by the two remaining interceptors caught one of my engines on fire. As we all know due to the fact that fire extenquishers have not been added to this game this is instant death for a bomber. I was now down to just my lead bomber.. I killed another LA-7 and wounded the 2nd.
By this time the other two had re-upped and where rapidly moving to intercept once again.
I managed to down another one before I was shot down 1 mile from an allied airfield.
Now. Since I assume we can all count I wont go into numbers of intercepters upped and numbers shot down but, as you can see the equation is not heavily in favor of bombers. I am a skilled bomber pilot and gunner I put up a battle to the very end but even with actions that would have been awarded the medal of honor in WWII it was not possible to even curtail the endless attack of the "eternal upping uber planes"
-sgt deaux

Wheh is the last time you had a formation of three fighters flown by
a single pilot attack you? You have three chances to survive a flight as
opposed to a fighter pilot's single shot.

The largest difference between WW2 and AH should be glaringly
obvious, one being a game. Trust me, in the service you do not have
the ability to choose your own aircraft or even your own target.

If you have a tough time returning to base, maybe you should try
another approach rather than ranting to HTC about how difficult the
path you did choose is.

sgtdeaux · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:50:42 AM »

I'm in the service and am more than aware of having ones direction picked as seen fit.
AND im very aware that this is a game.
I am pointing out that bombers have a marked disadvantage in the game due to the fact that interceptors have a limitless ability to re-up and intercept using uber planes like the LA-7.

See bombers hit target.
See bombers run like hell.
See bombers defend against first wave.
See bombers defend against 2nd wave.
See bombers die because of endless uppers.
Die bombers die.

I dont know how to explain it any simpler than dick and jane style.
-sgtdeaux

Wilbus · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2005, 05:36:25 AM »

Bombers should have a marked disadvantage, they are bombers. That is why they needed escorts during WW2.

Karnak · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2005, 10:14:20 AM »

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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
Why is it that any idea that is not yours is stupid?

Because this idea has been posted over and over and over and over and over and having seen it so many times we still don't like the idea of sitting, doing nothing. The climbout has enough of that already.

As to bombers, well, the unescorted, heavily armed bomber fighting it's way to the target and home proved to be one of the bad ideas of WWII. It didn't work and produced unsustainable losses.

If/when we get some Mossie bombers you can try sheer speed and see if that can get you home. I have had good luck in getting home in the Ki-67 when I drop from 22,000ft. It does a bit over 330mph there and that is hard for fighters to climb up to.

megadud · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2005, 01:07:41 PM »

this has got to be a troll, nobody is that stupid...

SuperDud · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2005, 01:08:23 PM »

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Originally posted by toadkill
i just want to clearify that the bk have no right to refer anyone to the rules.

???

Blammo · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:23:26 PM »

sgtdeaux:
The real answer to your problem is not what bomber you take or how HTC needs to tilt things towards the bombers and away from fighters. The real answer is in how you make your bomb runs.

Like anything in this game, if you go up alone against numbers (whether in a bomber, fighter or GV), you deserver what you get...gang banged. It isn't fun, but it is what is going to happen. If you are the only set of bombers attacking a given area, then yes, some schlep is going to up and up and up and come ruin your fun. Why, because that's what's fun to him.

Anyway, for the solution: Don't milk run by yourself. Get several people together to take bombers and escorts and go hit the target you're after. Seriously. At the very least, get at least three people as part of your bombing groups and fly a tight formation. That way, because of mutual coverage and all that, it will be pretty sure suicide for anyone to just keep upping against your group.

The alternative, keep getting upped against until you run out of ammo and get shot down.

Oh....and don't insult the B-25

Seriously, it was involved in WW2 much longer and performed many more functions that the B-29. If you want to talk historical, the B-25 should be added before the B-29 ever sees the light of the virtual day.

Simaril · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:54:43 PM »

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Originally posted by megadud
this has got to be a troll, nobody is that stupid...

Don't be so sure, I think he's serious....

As I understand his stated "logic", he thinks that because 3 lone bombers can't do deep penetration and exit survivably, everyone else in the arena should literally have to wait in the tower until he lands.

Hasnt really addressed the issue of 3xbombers with single control of 30xguns. I think what he really wants is a glowing powerup that lets you reload ammo instantly in air....

sgtdeaux · « **Reply #25 on:** October 28, 2005, 10:24:22 PM »

Hey mouth breather thats not at all what im saying.
The point im attempting to make plebian is that a SHORT DELAY perhaps 30 seconds between uppings would at least allow bombers more time to flee as opposed to being mobbed constantly.
However since everything on this forum in regards to helping bomber pilots is to receive a flaming I figure I might as well throw this in.

These fighters need to be perked.

LA-7
BF109-g10
P-51D
Niki

megadud · « **Reply #26 on:** October 28, 2005, 10:43:59 PM »

i will not flame i will just say that you are a tard and your entire idea is retarded. That is all.. carry on...

SuperDud · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2005, 10:50:22 PM »

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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
Hey mouth breather thats not at all what im saying.
The point im attempting to make plebian is that a SHORT DELAY perhaps 30 seconds between uppings would at least allow bombers more time to flee as opposed to being mobbed constantly.
However since everything on this forum in regards to helping bomber pilots is to receive a flaming I figure I might as well throw this in.

These fighters need to be perked.

LA-7
BF109-g10
P-51D
Niki

there ya go butterers.
flame on that for a bit.

You've been given several good reasons why it's a bad idea and several solutions. The point we are trying to make to you is fly smarter. I'll go over them again, this time read them, think about them for a few and see if it can make sense for you.

Bad idea because:
-Force players to sit in tower.
-Punishes new players who aren't as good and will die a lot.

Solutions:
-Climb higher to give yourself more time.
-Drop all ordinance in one run.
-Get fighter support or even more guys to go buffing with you.

Like what was said earlier, you want to be able to fly your lone formation into a target. In real life and in this game it doesn't work. You just need to fly a little smarter.

I don't understand how you can say the bomber guys are getting the raw end of the deal. Let's see:
-You have a lazer EZ bomb site.
-You have THREE planes.
-At anyone time will there be no less than 6 guns firing at a target(more like 12).

And finally, I find it funny you think people not agreeing with you as flaming. You've been given several good reasons why not to and several solutions for yourself. All you ever come back with is, "No, you're wrong". Why not address the ideas listed above and give reasons why what the rest of us have stated are bad ideas? Remember, this is a game with many people. It's not what's best for you, it's what's best for the communtity.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #28 on:** October 28, 2005, 11:51:52 PM »

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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
I'm in the service and am more than aware of having ones direction picked as seen fit.
AND im very aware that this is a game.
I am pointing out that bombers have a marked disadvantage in the game due to the fact that interceptors have a limitless ability to re-up and intercept using uber planes like the LA-7.

-sgtdeaux

You've got 3 planes and 18 .50 machine guns at your disposal and technically, you also have the limitless ability to re-up.

And as everyone else has pointed out but yet you can't seem to grasp is that if you want to survive, bring along a good gunner and get some escorts.

ack-ack

Wilbus · « **Reply #29 on:** October 29, 2005, 02:47:21 AM »

Superdud and AKAK pretty much said it.

Also, why would the Niki ever have to be perked? Because it's got 4x20mm slow firing cannons? It's a not even a very popular plane anymore.

Don't agree with the P51 and 109 G10 either but won't go into why, it's been discussed over and over and the poor dead horse just keeps getting beaten.

Simple fact is we don't agree with you, we're tried to help you by saying how it should be done and try to explain "why" your tactic gets you killed eventually. We're not flaming you (well most of us aren't).