Author Topic: Time to end the bomber starvation. (Read 5699 times)

Pooface · « **Reply #45 on:** February 05, 2006, 05:31:47 AM »

lol, so you want to stop all the fighter guys from upping so that you can get your bombers home?????

ROFLMFAO!!

its never gonna happen, this game is an aircombat simulation. bombers are in here to give a little extra to gameplay, but bombers aren't the main focus of this game. just hold on, you will get more bombers in time, and maybe learn how to fly a fighter too, you'll have more fun while you wait

Masherbrum · « **Reply #46 on:** February 05, 2006, 05:36:20 AM »

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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
Hey mouth breather thats not at all what im saying.
The point im attempting to make plebian is that a SHORT DELAY perhaps 30 seconds between uppings would at least allow bombers more time to flee as opposed to being mobbed constantly.
However since everything on this forum in regards to helping bomber pilots is to receive a flaming I figure I might as well throw this in.

These fighters need to be perked.

LA-7
BF109-g10
P-51D
Niki

So you "claim to be proficient" and having L337 skillz in the Buff gun. Why on earth would you want a delay? In a sense, you are "limiting your quantity of killz" to a certain extent.

Think of yourself covered in a gasoline and holding a candle. Seems kind of pointless, no?

Karaya

Simaril · « **Reply #47 on:** February 05, 2006, 05:56:55 AM »

Karaya, note that he's PNG....you'll wait a long time for a response.

Course, he's PNG because of his responses, so you're not missing much!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #48 on:** February 05, 2006, 05:59:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Karaya, note that he's PNG....you'll wait a long time for a response.

Course, he's PNG because of his responses, so you're not missing much!

LMAO! Cool beans. How's "Sim" doing these days?

Karaya

PS - I normally work 7am-11am on Sundays for overtime. Today, I came in at 3am to cover a shift. I feel a nap coming on.

Simaril · « **Reply #49 on:** February 05, 2006, 06:29:18 AM »

Doing great!

Look to see you in MA....

Verbal · « **Reply #50 on:** February 05, 2006, 09:46:20 AM »

hey simiral, nice avatar, 513 squadron of the 376th HBG? the 376th is the squadron i'm trying to start.

WindX · « **Reply #51 on:** February 05, 2006, 10:54:34 AM »

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OK.... Heres my .02 cents. How bout the ability to carry multiple gunners like we had in Air Warrior and up a deathstar! I can remember taking part in and lingering over Fighter Town in Big Pac arena in a deathstar and landing 15 -20 kills on a regular basis in a death star. Also if the person in the particular position gets killed the others can switch and fight over it just like in AW. I'd rather have it that way anyhow! I also agree that the B-25 has a lot of historical signifigance and deserves to be in the plane set!!

Let me rephrase that, Get rid of formations and have only one bomber and let it be manned by multiple people.

parin · « **Reply #52 on:** February 05, 2006, 01:04:12 PM »

I like to fly behind the bombers about 800 to 1000 out just rolling and looping till they use up all that ammo:aok

ZENMS · « **Reply #53 on:** February 05, 2006, 01:07:42 PM »

Heh...heh.... I flew this game a couple of years ago and just never really liked bombing in it. But then you didnt have the drones.... so the other day when I finally got it working on my new X2 system, I was flying a long in a pj... I saw three bombers, blew the poop outta them and they just kept on going. I didnt know until now that there was one "mother ship" (for lack of a better word) and two drones lmao!! Ok I get it... but which one do you have to kill, or which one is the M/S?

To reply to sgt's post... and the many replies..... this is really a discussion that nobody will ever be happy with. I flew more milkruns in AW than most, and can say this for sure.... no gunners, no escort, you have a very high chance of death! Period. Everyone buff driver thinks the game is skewed for fighters, and every f/p thinks the buff's have an unfair advantage. It is the same at work, with the dispute between dayshift and night shift... it is always there, always will be... Anyway, unless EA cracks open the vault, buys some old outdated Packard Bell Servers and chunks up AW3 (b4 the update, that stopped the 17's from out turning spits )

sgt you either get escorts, form/join a squad or just live with the fact that AH is the way it is.

It is obvious that they like it this way. You have plenty of options too! You can listen to the reasonable people and change your tactics, join/form a squad, live with it the way it is or go fly WB. I wouldn't hold my breath on AH changing anything, there would be more whining from the f/p's than they want to deal with!

Just my 2 cents!

Hi Ack-Ack!

Mugzeee · « **Reply #54 on:** February 06, 2006, 12:42:04 AM »

Good God Men...This is a "Wish" list...remember?
Why all the hoopla?

CalDe1 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 07, 2006, 03:22:07 PM »

If your worried about your ammo just take a few little friends with you, I do all the time and get 1-4 kills and land them. Problem solved, if you want to be a loner and make runs by your self expect to die a lonely death. your choice. yes to the B-25 no to the B-29.

Wolf14 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 07, 2006, 05:13:13 PM »

Guy A flying the bomber, shoots down Guy B.
Guy A keeps flying trying to leave area.
Guy B reups to go kill Guy A cause he's in bombers and bombers must die.
Guy A shoots down Guy B again.
Guy A is still trying to get away and sure enough Guy B has re-upped.
Guy B finaly kills all bombers because he wore down the group from his last few outtings.

Guy A gets worn down
Guy B gets new fighter each time.
Guy A is still flying same bombers with less ammo and damage.

In my opinion guy B had his chance the first time. He got shot down. He should not have an option to re-up a plane to go after the bomber group he got shot down by for 2 minutes and not within 50miles. If he wants to go kill something that bad he can go to the other plethera of fields that are being attacked or defended against and get his jollies off getting his kills.

For all the historical aspect of it, Sure alot of the thousands of bombers that went out never made it back, but is there any documentation of a german pilot getting shot down and being able to re-up another fighter, climb to alt (20-30kish), and attack same bomber group that had kept a straight line for home?

SuperDud · « **Reply #57 on:** February 07, 2006, 11:07:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Wolf14
Guy A flying the bomber, shoots down Guy B.
Guy A keeps flying trying to leave area.
Guy B reups to go kill Guy A cause he's in bombers and bombers must die.
Guy A shoots down Guy B again.
Guy A is still trying to get away and sure enough Guy B has re-upped.
Guy B finaly kills all bombers because he wore down the group from his last few outtings.

Guy A gets worn down
Guy B gets new fighter each time.
Guy A is still flying same bombers with less ammo and damage.

In my opinion guy B had his chance the first time. He got shot down. He should not have an option to re-up a plane to go after the bomber group he got shot down by for 2 minutes and not within 50miles. If he wants to go kill something that bad he can go to the other plethera of fields that are being attacked or defended against and get his jollies off getting his kills.

For all the historical aspect of it, Sure alot of the thousands of bombers that went out never made it back, but is there any documentation of a german pilot getting shot down and being able to re-up another fighter, climb to alt (20-30kish), and attack same bomber group that had kept a straight line for home?

If you get attacked by the same guy 3 times you're doing something wrong. Recently I went on a 10K run in B17s. I shot 2 down on my way to target, one being iceman24. I did my run and rtbed still at 10k. Well on the way home, sure enough here comes iceman again. This time he crushed me, doing very nice slashing attacks because he knew i could shoot and he couldn't just sit off my 6 like the 1st time. IF I would have killed him again I would have made it home no problem. But he wised up, and was more careful with the approach. In all my years playing I've never ran into the same guy more than twice unless I wanted to(deathstar) or they took a 163/262. There's no need to punish the fighters, just fly smarter. Get higher and get some help, ask if another bomber guy wants to go with you. You can normally find someone. If it's just you, don't go for impossibley defended targets. Also, practice on only making 2 bombing runs(preferrably one). Drop majority of ord on the 1st pass. And if you have any left, drop it on the way back to base. Hovering over the base is asking for troubles.

Mr No Name · « **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:43:59 AM »

I find it hard to believe I am in agreement with a BK.. (JK) but as a former bomber pilot and current dedicated bomber killer Altitude is your best friend. Heavy bombers usually flew at 25K according to boeing, the B-17 is capable of 35K. With the current EZ-Mode bombing you can hit ANYTING (barring THICK clouds over target) At any altitude.

Recently I took Lancs to 27K and arrived near a serious trouble area when we were under severe GV attack from a few bases. I took out 4 VHs AND 2FHs at 4 bases with zero misses. At that altitude I was ALMOST immune to attack. I had 5 followers at one point but since I was light I started a slow climb to 32K... They alllll faded away.

VERY few fighters perform at that altitude, the (historically best) bomber destroyer we have SHOULD be the A8 but it is a deathtrap (as modeled) over 21K. At that alt fighters just barely keep up with you and are slow moving targets and the bomber gun advantage is even more enhanced.(Yes, I said gun advantage since vibration, muzzle jump and buffeting IN BOMBERS are not modeled)

So, do like I do, pop some popcorn, grab a beer or 10 and grab some altitude if you're gonna do the lone wolf runs. Don't run medium bombers unless you go in a group, with escort OR just accept the inevitable before you take off.

Good luck!

Jester · « **Reply #59 on:** February 08, 2006, 04:06:44 AM »

Sgtdeaux,

I am with you in that more bombers are needed for the plane sets - English, Russian, Japanese & Italian are sadly lacking.
But I think everyone agrees we need "AT LEAST" 5 or 6 more versions of the Spitfire, Me-109 & P-51 first.

Some advice:

1. Get the HELL out of the MA as fast as your bomber will carry you.

2. Come over and join a Allied or Axis bomber squad in the AvA. You will have guys to fly with and you (thus better Defense) and most likely will have escorts about any time you ask for them.

While the AvA has it's problems unique to the arena - it tends to be more historical most of the time.

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