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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #75 on: November 03, 2005, 10:07:57 AM »
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Are saying that the US had'nt seen a war in 150 years?:confused:


Last war you saw was a Civil war.

Or I missed something and you had your country occupied by foreign invaders who planned to eliminate all your population? Or you had whole cities bombed down to ashes? Or millions starved in siege?
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« Reply #76 on: November 03, 2005, 10:08:14 AM »
Boroda your version of the story contradicts the reality where the western countries were lightyears above your standard of living.

I can say this from personal experience because I've witnessed it. That you can't deny.
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« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2005, 10:10:09 AM »
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US made plans of attacking USSR since 1946, and they were frightened and surprised when in 1949 they discovered that USSR already has a Bomb. Reconstruction was a matter of survival. Do or die. Just like before WWII.


You are full of watermelon and/or brainwashed.  We had 5 years with abosolute A-Bomb premacy.....and we had the means to deliver it almost to anywhere in the world. We were not frightened by your pathetic afforts.
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« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2005, 10:11:35 AM »
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How is it obvious that a planned economy is more efficient? You had an arms race with the "less efficient" American economy, and lost by a HUGE margine.


No other country have built industry from nothing in 15 years. In the beginning USSR didn't have enough specialists or even literate people, and 15 years later we withstood a most horrible war in the history of mankind.

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Who forced you into an arms race?


Sure, we could simply refuse to take part in it and be burned by humanitarian peace-loving West, this time without any chance to survive.
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« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2005, 10:13:40 AM »
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Boroda your version of the story contradicts the reality where the western countries were lightyears above your standard of living.

I can say this from personal experience because I've witnessed it. That you can't deny.


Can you imagine what could happen if we could build cars instead of tanks?

Please, don't take it personally, but Finland is IMHO a good example of what could happen in Russian Empire without wars. Finland was just a backwards province of the Empire...
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« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2005, 10:15:02 AM »
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Sure, we could simply refuse to take part in it and be burned by humanitarian peace-loving West, this time without any chance to survive.


Was this before or after signing the pact with the nazi Germany and invading half of europe? :lol

The arms race was always more about defending against your expansive aspirations.
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« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2005, 10:16:15 AM »
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Sure, we could simply refuse to take part in it and be burned by humanitarian peace-loving West, this time without any chance to survive.


But, you did spend all that money on an arms race, and lost...yet you survive. So why did you spend the money?  We won, yet you still live on in the manner is which you choose.

Seems like you wasted your money on nothing.
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« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2005, 10:17:54 AM »
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Yes, I am living here, all my family lives here for hundreeds of years, and someone who watched a show on history channel and read a comic book calls me unimformed. True Western approach.

US made plans of attacking USSR since 1946, and they were frightened and surprised when in 1949 they discovered that USSR already has a Bomb. Reconstruction was a matter of survival. Do or die. Just like before WWII.

 ROFL
 It is this exact attitude that is holding you back
You and your family have been fed the "Party Line" for let's see, 7 or 8 generations now ?
 And your exactly right about reconstruction, both before and after WW2.
  Toe the party line or you die.
 Speak out about injustices and you die.(Or go to the Gulag, then die)
   The sooner you figure it out, ( I can't help you, this is something you are going to have to do on your own) the sooner you and your countrymen's lives will get better.
  But first, your going to have to learn to see thru the Bull****, which you are obviously not ready to do yet.
  Good luck, your gonna need it.
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« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2005, 10:18:50 AM »
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In Russian Empire there never was any kind of national discrimination.


Boroda, that's classic BS.

In the czar's time it was class descrimination. Then in Soviet times it was a bit more 'national'. The destruction of the 'white russians' via starvation and mass murder in the 20's and 30's under stalin comes to mind. You guys also seemed to have a thing about poles, slav's and the populations of asian descent.

Ukraine Genocide
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« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2005, 10:19:58 AM »
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You are full of watermelon and/or brainwashed.  We had 5 years with abosolute A-Bomb premacy.....and we had the means to deliver it almost to anywhere in the world. We were not frightened by your pathetic afforts.


Documents say different things.

Americans admitted that even without a Bomb Soviet Army could get control of all Europe, Mediterranian coast and Middle East in no more then 6 months.

Try to find something about Drop Shot plan.

Other plans I remember were called Charioter and Fleetwood.
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« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2005, 10:22:13 AM »
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Can you imagine what could happen if we could build cars instead of tanks?


Can you imagine what could happen if your country never attacked us, crippled our industry, forced us to pay $4.8 billion (translated to current currency) penalty after the war in addition to freezing a near billion worth of German funds in the economy?

15% of the national budget went to payments for several years - but the payments were made in full.

Your economy rose in 2 years because of leeching other countries you either invaded or tried to invade. That's a fact. And still we kept ahead.
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« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2005, 10:27:39 AM »
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Last war you saw was a Civil war.

Or I missed something and you had your country occupied by foreign invaders who planned to eliminate all your population? Or you had whole cities bombed down to ashes? Or millions starved in siege?

 You guys were stupid enough to hook up with Germany, then were to stupid to see Hitler for what he was,then After we saved your butt, along with the rest of Europe, were too stupid to stay in freindly relations with the US.
And the reason I use the word stupid, is because ignorance can be fixed.
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« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2005, 10:29:15 AM »
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Boroda, that's classic BS.

In the czar's time it was class descrimination. Then in Soviet times it was a bit more 'national'. The destruction of the 'white russians' via starvation and mass murder in the 20's and 30's under stalin comes to mind. You guys also seemed to have a thing about poles, slav's and the populations of asian descent.

Ukraine Genocide


Hang, in Russian Empire there was only religious discrimination in some fields.

In USSR there was national discrimination only for Russians. For minorities there were quotas almost everywhere.

What you mean by "white Russians"? White Guards or Belorussian nation?

And don't tell me about "Ukraine Genocide". I am half-Ukrainian myself. If you count starvation in the Ukraine in 1933 - then why not count starvation at Volga region at the same time? In Russian Empire such starvations happened every 3-4 years, and only Bolsheviks stopped it. There were no mass starvations after 1947.

It's funny to watch you speaking about things that you don't understand.
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« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2005, 10:34:04 AM »
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You guys were stupid enough to hook up with Germany, then were to stupid to see Hitler for what he was,then After we saved your butt, along with the rest of Europe, were too stupid to stay in freindly relations with the US.
And the reason I use the word stupid, is because ignorance can be fixed.



MUAHAHAHA!!!!

:rofl

Go read something.

You saved our butt my ass!

US investments in Gemany were protected during WWII, for example: Opel was owned by GMC since 30s, and American bomber crews had special signs on flight maps where they shouldn't drop bombs because American capital was invested in some enterprises.

USSR "hooked up with Germany" only after all attempts to make an alliance with France and UK failed - they simply wanted USSR to fight Hitler alone. Damn evil Russians, they didn't want to die for foreign interests!

As for friendly relations with the US - we did our best, but again we couldn't afford to sponsor enemy regimes installed in Western Europe.
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« Reply #89 on: November 03, 2005, 10:37:30 AM »
Ignorance is Blessed
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