Kyoto to 'reduce Europe's growth'

[Krusher]

Its time to dump this turkey before the bill gets any bigger.


Meeting Kyoto Protocol targets on greenhouse gas emissions will reduce European economic growth significantly


The US and Australian governments have opted out of Kyoto over economic concerns; and this new analysis of four European states from the International Council for Capital Formation (ICCF) endorses their view that the protocol will prove expensive.

It concludes that by 2010 - the middle of the four-year period in which Kyoto signatory states are supposed to meet their targets - Spain's economic growth will be reduced by 3.1% from what it would have otherwise been, Italy's by 2.1%, Britain's by 1.1% and Germany's by 0.8%.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Seems like pretty minor setbacks to me.  I've been told in the past that businesses here in the US (at least in the midwest) need to post around a 5% increase in revenue per year to offset the cost of inflation and rising costs of doing business.  I'm not saying thats a hard fact, its just what I've been told in the past.  But using that point, and assuming that Europe's rate of inflation is similar to ours, you are talking about a decrease in growth that is less than the rate of inflation.  They didnt say it was a loss of business or loss of revenue or loss of anything, just a decrease in rate of growth.  

The Kyoto protocols have alot of issues beyond this, alot of issues I'm uncomfortable with, and I'm rather relieved we backed out.  But something needs to be done, and I'm sure it will involve sacrifice somewhere.  I just dont think this is the big one.

[GRUNHERZ]

And Kyoto was to give rapidly growing nad rapidly poluting economies of china and india a big break on emission rules and this an even greater advantage in growth and cost compared to western economes..

Kyoto may be the most idiotic UN treaty of all time for nay nation to agree to and actually implement, unl;ess of couyrse you are china or india.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Steinhoff
Don't type so fast. I don't want to read about rapidly growing nads.

How else do you explain China and India's billion plus populations???

[NUKE]

If the US existed for thousands of years, we might have billions of people too.


I'm just glad that the US view is finally being validated by a logical look at Kyoto by other countries.

[Rolex]

You folks may be glad, but the Kyoto Protocol, as written by representatives of your nations, isn't about you.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Steinhoff
It hardly matters what your federated government says when several of your individual states have, or are in the process of, introducing similar restrictions on emissions, including a quota system.

The beauty of our system is for the most part, we do allow our states and cities to control their economic destiny.

The US and several other countries are not ignoring the problem, only the flawed Kyoto treaty.

US agrees climate deal with Asia

 
The US and five Asia-Pacific states have announced a surprise pact to cut greenhouse gases which falls outside the Kyoto Protocol on climate change.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by Krusher
The US and five Asia-Pacific states have announced a surprise pact to cut greenhouse gases which falls outside the Kyoto Protocol on climate change.

and the Kyoto Nations will boycot it! lol

[MrRiplEy[H]]

When hurricane damage overcomes economy loss, Kyoto starts to seem like a viable option. Will it be too late, nobody knows.

[J_A_B]

"If the US existed for thousands of years, we might have billions of people too."

Contrary to popular belief, the American continents didn't just magically appear in 1492.   It's a pretty safe bet that people have in fact lived here for thousands of years.


The current Chinese and Indian populations stem mainly from their continued traditions of having extremely large families despite modern reductions in infant mortality rates and imcreased life expectancy.  For example, in post-war China Mao Zedong was known for encouraging large families and discouraging use of birth control--this resulted in the "one child policy" which is used today.   India, with a government less able to take that sort of direct action, still posts massive population growth.

By comparison, most Western families have far fewer children now than in times past.  If our countries' populations listened to those religions which encourage having large numbers of children (such as the Catholic church), we would be in the exact same situation that the Indians and Chinese are.


Kyoto seemed a little too much like world-scale welfare and blatant preference for third-world economies.


J_A_B

[Dowding]

Five year forecasts on economic growth are always proved right. It's why the stock market is such a static entity, and why economics is in no way a pure science.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by J_A_B
"If the US existed for thousands of years, we might have billions of people too."

Contrary to popular belief, the American continents didn't just magically appear in 1492.   It's a pretty safe bet that people have in fact lived here for thousands of years.

Contrary to what you have said, the USA has only existed as a nation for a little more than 200 years.

We have grown to nearly 300 million people in that time. China has been a country for thousands of years.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

So what you're saying NUKE that human reproduction on a continent needs a country to do so?

[J_A_B]

"China has been a country for thousands of years"


The People's Republic of China has only existed since 1949.



J_A_B