Immigrating to New Zealand? Not if you're sick.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by mosgood
What does that have to do with anything?  Only your point is valid because your a Kiwi.  That's a load of crap.

Countries SHOULD be selective about who they allow into their systems and if your sick and will be a drain on their system.... then there should be a second look at the situation before just letting you in.

Immigration is highly politicized in NZ, which means the rules are not applied fairly to prospective immigrants as the McGuires and many others have found out.

The immigration rules are adequate to keep out people who would be a burden on the country, but the immigration department lets many of them in anyway, while barring people who could make a worthwhile contribution. It's politics and it po alot of NZers.

To put it bluntly... if Barry McGuire was a Pacific Islander who had just arrived at Auckland airport without so much as a pot to piss in and welfare bludger written all over him, he would have had a far better chance at gaining residency.

[cpxxx]

Rolex,
Never was a truer word said on this forum. I crossed that line not long ago. You don't exactly wake up one morning shouting 'Eureka'. But it eventually dawns on you. Recently one of my sisters crossed the line. I welcomed her to the club and we shook our heads at the antics of our youth and of the rest of the family yet to reach 'wisdom'.  Some people never cross the line. But most do eventually. My wife hasn't yet. But she will.  Before this I never understood those baffling illogical decisions you come across every day. The key is to realise you never will.  

The world is a joke and a poor one at that.

Things like the 84 year Kiwi RAF veteran then make sense. The question I would ask him is why he was still using a New Zealand passport after all these years living in the Britain. No doubt he could have got one years ago when it was easier.  He won't be deported. He will have to go through a lot of hassle now, which he could have avoided if only he had woken up a few years ago. If he was allowed in, then every New Zealander can be allowed in.

Something similar happened to an Irish guy working in the US some time ago. He has a special work visa of some sort, not  a green card. All he did was renew it regularly for about ten years. Eventually things tightened up post 9/11 and someone in the INS said no and he was out. Just like that.
In the end it was all his own fault.

The apparachiks are simply doing their job.

[lazs2]

hang.. one year ahead of you.  My goal is to make so many of the people who run my city misserable that they will offer me a special retirement package (like they get for themselves a year before they leave) just to get rid of me...  this board is great practice.

lazs

[Excel1]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Rolex,
Never was a truer word said on this forum. I crossed that line not long ago. You don't exactly wake up one morning shouting 'Eureka'. But it eventually dawns on you. Recently one of my sisters crossed the line. I welcomed her to the club and we shook our heads at the antics of our youth and of the rest of the family yet to reach 'wisdom'.  Some people never cross the line. But most do eventually. My wife hasn't yet. But she will.  Before this I never understood those baffling illogical decisions you come across every day. The key is to realise you never will.  

The world is a joke and a poor one at that.

Things like the 84 year Kiwi RAF veteran then make sense. The question I would ask him is why he was still using a New Zealand passport after all these years living in the Britain. No doubt he could have got one years ago when it was easier.  He won't be deported. He will have to go through a lot of hassle now, which he could have avoided if only he had woken up a few years ago. If he was allowed in, then every New Zealander can be allowed in.

Something similar happened to an Irish guy working in the US some time ago. He has a special work visa of some sort, not  a green card. All he did was renew it regularly for about ten years. Eventually things tightened up post 9/11 and someone in the INS said no and he was out. Just like that.
In the end it was all his own fault.

The apparachiks are simply doing their job.

cpxxx, maybe it's unrelated but yourself and Rolex have given a pretty good description of 'Middle Age Fatigue Syndrome’. Some of it's worst symptoms include; testicle shrinkage; an over powering urge to bend over when faced with burocratic adversity and impromptu Yoda impersonations.

Comparing that old soldier to a kiwi that walks of a plane at Heathrow for the first time, or even one that’s been in the UK for a length of time is just ridiculous. To say that allowing the old guy to stay in England would open the flood gates for kiwis to immigrate to the UK is pure BS. If that’s the best that they can come up with to justify the way they have treated him then they really do need a good arse kicking. I would happily oblige if my right leg was 12,000 miles long.

Excel

[Rolex]

Hi there Excel1.

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if some type of special dispensation magically happens to let this fine Kiwi carry on living without being thrown into the ocean. Some wise, testicle-shrunken, Yoda impersonator will come along and use a pen or telephone and some contacts (instead of a long leg) to try to solve it - instead of rage against it with a few dozen people on a game company bulletin board.

And you're right about fatigue... I was going to tell you about being fatigued from the 3 different women I have dates with this week - one is 27, one is 34 and the oldest, but most elegant, is a 39 year-old model and former stewardess who doesn't have a mark or wrinkle from her stunningly beautiful hair down to her perfect little toes - but that would be mean, so I won't do it. I'm sure you already know that these type of women are attracted to sharp, older guys who understand the world... and women. Long, arse-kicking legs probably attract a different kind of woman?

Well, I'm a little fatigued and I need to rest up. Going to see Boz Scaggs play at a very exclusive little place in a few days and I have to decide who I should take. Cheers!

Your friend,
Rolex
(By the way, it's "bureaucratic.")

[cpxxx]

Excel1,
Maybe you'd like to 'spear tackle' me. I hear you guys are good at that.

Rolex gave you the answer.  The man's problem will be solved in due course. No need for outrage. It remains his own fault. No visa, no entry. Them are the rules.  It applies to all of us. Whether you bend over or not.

But all this writing has tired me out. Time for a nap.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Rolex
Hi there Excel1.

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if some type of special dispensation magically happens to let this fine Kiwi carry on living without being thrown into the ocean. Some wise, testicle-shrunken, Yoda impersonator will come along and use a pen or telephone and some contacts (instead of a long leg) to try to solve it - instead of rage against it with a few dozen people on a game company bulletin board.

And you're right about fatigue... I was going to tell you about being fatigued from the 3 different women I have dates with this week - one is 27, one is 34 and the oldest, but most elegant, is a 39 year-old model and former stewardess who doesn't have a mark or wrinkle from her stunningly beautiful hair down to her perfect little toes - but that would be mean, so I won't do it. I'm sure you already know that these type of women are attracted to sharp, older guys who understand the world... and women. Long, arse-kicking legs probably attract a different kind of woman?

Well, I'm a little fatigued and I need to rest up. Going to see Boz Scaggs play at a very exclusive little place in a few days and I have to decide who I should take. Cheers!

Your friend,
Rolex
(By the way, it's "bureaucratic.")

 Hey Rolex,

In case you didn't notice there was some piss taking in my last post.

Here's an update on the stuff I was serious about.

 

The British Government has backed down on its threat to deport an 84-year-old New Zealander who settled in England after fighting in the Royal Air Force.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10353842

Keep in mind that news article is three days old. It's great that he is allowed to stay< I didn't think they would deport him anyway> but that's not the issue, the way he was treated is. They could have used discretion to achieve the same out come, but instead they took a big stick to an old man that probably has contributed a sheet load more good to England  than the 'bureaucratic'  twerps who threatened to kick him out of the country in the first place. And besides, 60 years is a long time, by now I think he would be more Pom than Kiwi...it's like kicking one of your own.

In my experience the polite use of the pen or telephone are not always  enough to get knuckle heads to see the error of their ways. At those times a boot to the arse, even if it’s only verbal is called for. And it can be very effective.

This is a hefty kick, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been the only one.

Lily Taylor, 83, chairman of the RAF Bomber Command Association of the North East and its Sunderland branch, said the expulsion threat was disgraceful.
"It makes you wonder if this country is worth fighting for if they are going to do things like this."  

As for the women you describe are you sure it's not your money they are after? I would understand if it was. I know the type. Give them a shovel or a pair of fencing pliers and tell them to make themselves useful around the place and the last you see off them is through a haze of tire smoke as they drive out the front gate.

Have fun at the Boz Scaggs concert.

Excel

[Excel1]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Excel1,
Maybe you'd like to 'spear tackle' me. I hear you guys are good at that.

Rolex gave you the answer.  The man's problem will be solved in due course. No need for outrage. It remains his own fault. No visa, no entry. Them are the rules.  It applies to all of us. Whether you bend over or not.

But all this writing has tired me out. Time for a nap.

LOL

I get it now cpxxx, you don't like kiwis because we made that girl's blouse Brian O'Driscoll cry.

Jeez..Get over it.

Excel

[cpxxx]

Naw, I love Kiwis. I just couldn't eat a whole one.

The All Blacks are here this week.  We have been waiting for this moment. We'll get over it when we have our revenge.

Umaga is too chicken **** to line up so we will have satisfy ourselves with Mealamu. muhaha.