Why I fly Luftwaffe

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Er, G10 challenging?  Lets see, 2nd fastest  plane in Aces High, best climber in Aces high...which means, anytime you can engage, and disengage the enemy at will , half your battle is already won for you....hmmmm, a challenge is a FW190A8, or F4U-1D, most DEFINATELY not the G10.

F4U is the third faster plane on the deck   well, at least if we forget about tiffie, but those arent very common  

G10 is a challenge because is hard to kill with it. Its anemic firepower is the main reason, but the slow rollrate and bad turning make a lot of it too.

Fishu we all know you are a top ace in AH, so you can raise 4 kills each sortie in 109G10. I am an average pilot and I am proud if I land a 2 kill sortie in it (this is not an irony. A guy who raises a 350+ kill streak in a Fw190A8 is for me a real ace).

Rip, I said it before, as long as the G10 wants to live over fighting then it will live. Same is aplicable for the P51 and it is also a challenging and demaning plane (but much much less than G10)

[AKFokerFoder+]

FAF used the swastika, after all it is a very old symbol.

I have a personal problem with ME flying something with a swastika. It is personal, it has to do with my own life experiences and my own belief system.  If you want to fly a RAF,Russian AF, and Italian Plane, FAF, a Nazi plane or a Jap plane (I won't fly those either) well go for it. I really have no opinion on your belief system, or what kind of character you want to play.

Remember this is a role playing game. We are playing the role of WW2 fighter pilot. Just like you may play an Evil Sorcerer, or a White Knight in a D&D game, here you can play a Rabid Pro-Nazi Luftwaffe ACE.  You may enjoy that role, and as long as you are having fun, go for it!    

I choose not to play the role of LW pilot for personal reasons. I like to play the role of a dashing RAF Pilot or a hard-assed Marine F4U pilot. I feel good flying a Spit, looking for Krauts, or in a F4U looking for Japs.  For various reasons I do not feel good playing the role of Nazi, or of an Imperialist Japanese Pilot.  

AH is a game, it is an escape into virtual reality.  Just because you fly a 109 in AH, doesn't make you a Nazi in real  life, anymore than playing an Evil Wizard in a MUD makes you a satanist in real life.


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[Ripsnort]

Ram, for all the LW pilots that complain about weak guns, I can show you hit percentages that are .07 or lower.      Weak guns or lousy shots?

I'll give the G10 a low mark for roll rate, but speed and climbrate outweighs roll by a long shot and make up for bad roll by far.

Funny, never heard Hristos complain about weak guns, nor  me, and my K/D ratio in LW iron is anything but average.



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[RAM]

LOL Rip...letting apart the fact that I'm not the best shooter in AH (lol) I do jabo quite a lot and do a lot of straffe passes on deacked fields...

and you know what happens when you fire at ground targets don't you?  

I shoot only with cannons, and use a lot MG to scare the running cons...so another thing that lowers my %...

and it is still a 5% or so. And I am happy with it, I assure you  

BTW My shooting has improved a lot since I started flying G10 on the MA in a regular basis   now in the 190 I hit much more than before  



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[Ripsnort]

I have no trouble with ground targets with LW iron, if  you're talking about tanks, then you're hitting them in the wrong spot.

(Remember when tanks  were introduced we did all those Jabos near A13?  Well, the guns havent changed since then, but the tank hull thickness has)

When I flew the A8, I flew primarily with 2X20's not 4X20's and never complained about the guns, however I DID complain about the hispanos, which apparently they found an oops in the code and have since corrected.

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[RAM]

Well...I may be better or worse shooter,but what I say is that the guns are weak because when i see ping flashes I know I have hit.

So if I say that the guns are weak its because I know what happens (exactly what DOESNT happen    ) when I have hit.

BTW as I said before I fire only cannons, so ALL the flashes I see are from cannons.


On the ground thing matter, no I dont mind about tanks. To attack them with mausers is worthless so I dont expend my ammo for nothing. The A13 Jabo in Fw190A8 was done with 30mm on board,Rip...and it is now a worthless gun for Tank hunting (as it should be,seems)

What I mean is that when straffing ground structures in fields the round is counted as no-hit, regardless of if it hits or it doesnt. So bassically any straffing on ground structures WILL lower your hit % regardless if you hit the structures or you don't.


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[Ripsnort]

Ah, I understand  your ground strafing complaint with hit %.

"Well...I may be better or worse shooter,but what I say is that the guns are weak because when i see ping flashes I know I have hit."

That could be a number of things Ram.  It could be your connection.  It could be V-Sync Off in your video card, it could be your distance to the target, it could be alot of things besides the hard-code of the game.  So why do you bottle it and say its the guns?

I personally have just as much success with Mauser 20mm as I do with Hispano 20mm.

I see flashes from Hispano 20mm too on wings, it doesn't always go down.  Distance is certainly a factor.  Seems once I get inside of 300 yards (where a good pilot will have a better chance of lethal hits) both Hispanos and Mauser give me no problems at all.

And I only know of 2 LW flyers that continually cry about the guns, so, that tells me *something*...  

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:

And I only know of 2 LW flyers that continually cry about the guns, so, that tells me *something*...    

I may sound as stupid...but what is this something????

and now that I'm into it...who is the other guy who "cries" about guns?...fer sure not fishu.

BTW everytime I fly AH I am running Ping Plotter simultaneously. When I see packet loss I dont say anything.

There is no such thing as a V-sync on my video card settings, so dunno about it.



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[Karnak]

RAM,
I landed my first kill in a Bf109G-10.  I was bounced on my climb out by a Spit IX (according to recent posts he should have been able to turn and chase me down after I avoided his head-on, but he couldn't).  I did a shallow dive to get a 109 among a pack of red with no green in sight, but he evaded.  I zoom climbed up, turned and went back at the pack (Spit still following), got a P-38 and extended away with the Spit still after me.  A P-38 joined him but I outran both and landed.  

The most kills I have ever landed is 2.  I've doen that 3 times in the Bf109G-10 and once in the Fw190A-5.  I have never landed a kill in any other fighter.  My kill/Death rate isn't even close to 1 to 1 in any fighter, so don't count me as a strato player.  I like to get in and mix it up.  The G-10 gives me the speed, climb, and acceleration to get out after getting a kill.  I have never found the firepower on the G-10 to be lacking.  I have compressed and died once while diving on a con.

I was not asking for the Spitfire Mk F.XIV in my post.  I have stopped asking for it as it proved to be too contentious a request.  I was merely naming the two fighters, Fw190D-9 and Spitfire Mk F.XIV, that I thought could displace the Bf109G-10 as the best fighter in AH.  The Mustang has proved to be a death trap for me, it can't climb.

Sisu
-Karnak

[mx22]

It's all about the pilot, not the plane

But I have to agree that BF109G10 is one of the best planes in MA, and so is FW190A5. Btw, I don't find these plane to be more challanging to fly then, for example, P-51 or P-47. Each has it's own weakness and it's stregth. If you an average flier, you should have no problem flying either plane after an introductory 2-3 weeks.
Learn to fly La-5, it has more challange then many other planes - it's not the turning plane, and it doesn't have that super speed that would let you escape from late war planes. Did I meantion it drinks fuel as fast as Russians drink vodka
Pretty much every mid war plane in AH now gives more challange to fly and stay alive, then any late war model.

mx22

[hblair]

Just wondering, How many sorties have you guys actually flown in the G10? I messed around on the score page and found karnak had a lifetime of 29? sorties. Is this right? Tell me you fly under another handle. karnak's record is 12 kills for 17 deaths. Doesn't look like an easy plane there.  

And fishu, you flew much of beta tour 1 in the G10 with an impressive 123 kills for 3 deaths. But not much after that. Keep in mind these were flown with the flaps that worked at any speed against opponents who spent most of their time in other games. There weren't many quality full time pilots here because of the infancy of the game, etc.

No offense fellas, but everybody has an opinion, more experienced ones carry more weight. I've been flying the G10 as my primary plane since beta tour 1. I have 1573 kill to 648 death (which sux, too much augering  )

It is still a challenge to fly. It has 2 great strengths, speed and climb to compensate everything else. If it were so easy, why are there a handful in the arena every night?

PS, this isnt a shot at anyone, please dont take offense...

[funked]

This is not an anti-LW post.

AH is heavily biased towards fast planes with big guns due to some choices by the designers.

If you want a challenge, fly the A6M5.  It's got a terrible roll rate, pathetic speed, and crappy armament.  I'd like to see some of the stat-queens put up their pretty numbers in this pig.

[Karnak]

hblair,
No offence taken.  I only fly under the name "Karnak".  I don't have a lot of free time to fly so my total numbers are always going to be very small.  I've spent more time in the Bf109G-10 than anything else and have been much more successful with it.  My record is that bad because I don't have much time to fly and hence am not very good.

For example, as most of you know that I am a Spitfire fan, I have 8 kills and 22 deaths in the Spitfire MkIX starting in tour 4.  I didn't fly the Spitfire in Tour 6 at all and have tried it again in Tour 7, for a 2 and 5 record.  Most of my Spitfire MkIX time was done in Tour 5 where I had a 5 to 14 record with it.

The more I fly, the more time I spend in the Bf109G-10.  The fact that someone as bad as me has a 12 to 17 record with an aircraft indicates to me that it is a powerful aircraft.  It will be a long time before I can build up what you might consider statistical evidence, but not all of us have that much free time.

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Funked,
that is exactly right.  That is why I find the Spitfire MkIX to be enemic, it is certainly better than many aircraft in AH due to its good guns and E retention, but I still can't survive a mision in it.  Most people seem to fly P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, F4U-1Cs and Bf109G-10s, all things that the Spitfire can't outrun or out climb, which can usally do what they want with it (if it has me at the controls).  Too often I have found that if I fly a Spit or Zero a group of faster planes will treat me as a free kill.  If it was just one I might have a chance, but when 2, 3, 4 or even 5 aircraft are taking turns having a go at me it is just a matter of time.  Because of this I find myself taking the fast planes more and more, the fact that the Bf109G-10 is the best climber is just icing on the cake.

Sisu
-Karnak

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[hblair]

rgr that funked!  

Whats free time karnak? I get 4 to 5 hours of sleep due to my habit.
I also have a family of 5 and am remodeling my house, not to mention working at least 10 hours a day.  

[funked]

Karnak, if you want to land after each sortie, the G-10 is a good choice.  It's easier to get kills in the Spit IX than in the Messer but harder to land them!

I wish we had a 1942 or 1943 arena.  Spits and Typhoons vs. Fw 190A-5 and Me 109F would be a blast.