K4 or G14, what's your choice?

[Wilbus]

Yeah I know about the DT rack slowing them down about 6mph at the deck. Don't use DT unless needed now. On the old 109 modells I always brought them + 100% fuel.

Just interested in a nice conversation about what makes people fly the G14 over the K4 or other way around. Not suposed to be another whine thread about LW rides.

[Bruno]

Not suposed to be another whine thread about LW rides.

Who is whining?

[Gunthr]

I choose the K4 over Spit XVI.  To be honest, I flew the Spit only about 5 flights, and I would pick the K4 over the Spit regardless of performance.

Still, my impression is that climb and acceleration are better in the K4.  

The new G-14 does seem heavier in handling to me, but it might be because I use a lower pitched throatier sounding engine wav for it, whereas I use the G-10 sounds for the K4.   I may be wrong due to "placebo" effect.  

[Krusty]

G14 flies more like a slow "G10" (what we used to have as G10), and K4 flops around. I tried flying the K4 like I used to fly G10s, and it didn't work at all. I was flopping nonstop. I pull gentle (I mean GENTLE) moves at moderate speeds and my slats pop in and out NONSTOP. I think there's a bug in the modeling at the moment, but can't exactly figure out how to describe said bug. It's sort of like the spits that had the G-force problems, but different.

Anyways, the K4 got gimped big time. I can't turn at all in it, it's unstable, flops, slats constantly going even under minor moves, can't run from chit, all it can do is climb and dive, and forget taking on a spit anymore!

[Kurfürst]

Originally posted by Wilbus
Yeah I know about the DT rack slowing them down about 6mph at the deck. Don't use DT unless needed now. On the old 109 modells I always brought them + 100% fuel.

6mph? That's Something like 10 kph.

Can someone confirm that the DT's rack slows down 109 by about 6 mph on the deck? Just cause the real value was like... 1/3 of that ! ~2.5mph at SL.

German data for speed loss at SL with droptank rack under the fuselage. Click to enlarge.
 

First columns on the right : extra weigh from installation
2nd " " : flat plate area increase (m2)
3rd : speed loss at sea level, in kph

6mph drag penelty from the DT is ahistoric, it should be noted to pyro, too.

[Wilbus]

Noone is Bruno. Yet

[Sable]

Got in a tight dogfight with a Tempest today while flying a K4 - did some turning, some scissors ... I put a few rounds into him but just couldn't manage to land a tater - eventually he extended out and then came back and won the HO.  The K4 can do quite well dogfighting IMO.  Obviously you aren't going to be outturning Spits, but against stuff like P-51s, La-7s, Typhoons etc I think it's competetive (i.e. pilot skill winning out over airplane type) - and against the other stuff you can just run away or climb above them if necessary.  And the 10 minutes of WEP vs. the 5 on most of the allied planes makes a big difference.

The G14 is ok, but it's performance is a step below the top of the food chain so you can't really control a lot of fights with it.  But in terms of it's historical opponents (P-47Ds, P-38J/L, Spit 8/16, Typhoon, P-51B/D) it's really pretty good - obviously the Spits are a big threat in a dogfight, but the G14 is faster on the deck.  The P-51 is probably the biggest danger as it is both faster (at all altitudes no less) and can turn about the same.

For the MA I think the K4 is the clear choice - the extra performance makes a big difference between controling the fight, or getting run down by something fast and then forced to turnfight with the Spits and Japanese stuff.

[Angus]

Took some runs in the G14 the other day.
While not the aircraft to stay in a low furball with unless there is lots of E available, I found it delightful! Long WEP, nice speed, and modest handling.
Will keep flying it.
BTW, what skin is on it?

[Bruno]

2./Jagdgeschwader 4

[AutoPilot]

As quoted  from Franz Stigler:

The G6 basically had a heavier motor and could fly higher…not more speed, but that’s it…it starts getting heavier every time they put something new in.
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The last one you flew was a G?

Yeah…actually it was a K model, but uh…we used it as a G model

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The armament, you used on the Messerschmitt…you used the Mk108 cannon…

Yeah we had it in the middle…we had two centimetre…or later a three centimetre Cannon…and then a thirty millimetre on top…two of them.

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I personally like the G-14 and the K model both dive at better speeds than they use too and the K pretty much fly's itself.

[1K3]

i like g-14 better

btw 109s seem to have pretty sturdy airframe in AH.  Is that true in r/l too?  In 109 i can do high G-load turns that will make spit, p-51, and FW-190's wing break.

[Wilbus]

Are you sure about that 1K3?

Most of the time that is just because the 109 is incapable of pulling those high G's due to bad elevator authority.

The 190 and Pony doesn't have that problem. All those planes can easily pull more G's then the pilot can take before blacking out.

[Charge]

"btw 109s seem to have pretty sturdy airframe in AH. Is that true in r/l too? In 109 i can do high G-load turns that will make spit, p-51, and FW-190's wing break."

The smaller the wing the more it can endure forces. Eg. The bombers have huge wings but they should be very very heavy to achieve the same endurance as the wings on fighters. Of course in the question on fighters the wing spar design is significant, too.

-C+

[gatt]

I prefer the K-4, even if hitting with the 30mm and deflection is difficult if not impossible now.
The G-14 is a sitting duck, compared to the G-10 and obviously K-4. It is too similar to the G-6 and too far from the K-4. I hope there is something still to fix in his FM.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Wilbus
I'd like to know peoples opinions on the G14 vs K4 issue.

 

 Maybe you should ask JBs,BKs,Ditch, Dutchie, Yaws,  and many more players that i noticed flying well the Me109s before this sad patch,

  Me109G10, was my favoritte ride before Me163s came in service for bombers interception on HQ mostly.  Since AH2 and B24s came out, i started to like it more, cuz were more B24s than fighters in MA, and G10 was the best bomber buster.
I'm not a skilled fighter and i ussed it moslty against bombers with gondies, but after a while a could use it succseful sometimes against fighters.

 I tried K-4, doesn't seems to have same FM,  i feel it "heavy", slower and  those 65 rounds  makes it uneficient against bombers: imop is worst than G10

 G14 seems to be slow, worst climb rate, but better firepower, turn rate ; imop worst than G10

 G14 vs K-4 ? both sux

  Let's forget it, and join SpitArena !:)