Kills vs. assists?

[straffo]

if you want we can go to the DA tonight (22:00 CET ) to do some test && films.

[Charge]

Lol, I have named the 30mm as a "CWOTAE, complete waste of time and effort"

Try to get that stiff 109 to bend into a single favorable angle and pop a tater on a LaNikSpits wing and happily see him spin into ground without a wing only to receive "Assist on LuckyTaterCatcher". Or strafe a Tiger with .50s or 20mm and fly away waiting for some PzIV or Tiger guy to blow him up and get an assist as YOU get a kill in a fighter.

Sure BlauK is a lier then?  He's been here since year 2000 and a part of a very skilled squad and hardly one of those who go around whining and moaning how the game sucks if their personal skills are lacking. And then HT honors us by dropping by saying "Believe what you will"?!?!? Thats just too cool. "Thanks for being our customer for five years but we think this is the answer you deserve at best."

Plus some fanboy who has hardly fired a 30mm online chimes in claiming that to be normal. There IS a big difference between .50 Cal and 30mm, ya know. Firstly you only have 60 pcs of the latter, seconly it is hard as hell to hit with those on a maneuvering target. And if they do not do what they are supposed to, then there is obviously something broken, dont' you think.

If a plane catches a fire its not critical? You gotta be kidding me...



-C+

PS. To remind you what we are talking about:
http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/weapon/mk108blenheim.jpg

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Charge
Sure BlauK is a lier then?  He's been here since year 2000 and a part of a very skilled squad

Huh?  Who said that BlauK was a liar?  Stop being needlessly defensive.  I'm going to guess that in this situation, something freaky occurred that played to the system's weakness.  Perhaps killing the pilot occurs before doing plane damage, so if you hit the pilot he dies and goes to the tower before the game figures out how much damage you did to the plane itself.  If that's the case, then someone who popped a .45 into the cockpit and already wounded the pilot would receive a kill rather than the guy who shot a 30mm into the cockpit and ended the pilot's life before the game considered other damage accumulation.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Sniffle]

Originally posted by Scootter
OK lets see.... he wrote the code but you want to argue with him about how it works.

Wow you the man. you know more then the father of the game.

Why cant you guys take it as fact when HT and Co. speak about the game?

Sheese  

Maybe its a bug?...

Arrrg..

[straffo]

I smell a bug somewhere.

Last night I strafed an already damaged tiger in a Ki84 (only with MG) to help a country mate (in a GV) spot the tiger.

And I was awarded the kill.


IMO the sequence to check is :

player 1  make a lot of damage and get killed
player 2  make light damage
player 3 finnish the work

Look like player 2 got his + player 1 damage.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by BlauK
I have been in belief that the one who does most damage gets the kill. Still in many occasions I have doubted it. Now finally I cannot believe it anymore, or there are just some other occasional factors effecting the outcome.

Some days a ago I I had to bail out above the enemy base. The ack was down and none of the GV:s seemed to notice me, so I walked beside the runway nearby the fighter spawn point. Suddenly there was a rolling fighter and I took one shot at it with the hand gun, saw a flash, but nothing else. A minute or two later I got a kill message... one of my squad mates told me on the vox that he had shot that plane with 30mm cannon!!!!! ... he only got the assist while I got the kill!!!

It would be possible for you to get the kill if the pilot who actually did the most damage had "died" long enough before your victim.............

This quite often happens when two ac die as a result of headons......the last one to die can have his kill awarded to some one who only pinged him some time prior the "final" incident.

and of course if the hapless fellow augered with your pistol shot as the only damage.....

The confusing statement above is the claim of the squad mate who

A) claims to have been awarded an assist

B)claims to have hit with a 30mm round.

I believe that damage is added and kills awarded from maths performed on the victims FE............ I can only surmise that the victims FE never recieved a 30mm hit packet from your squad mate.............maybe he recieved none at all or maybe he recieved just a 13mm hit packet and maths decided that the part of the ac you hit was more critical or maybe indeed your squad mate got an assist for someone else entirely

I note your squad mate does not claim to have despatched the victim.

[BlauK]

Tilt,
he finished the plane, but I dont know if the plane exploded or just lost parts and crashed. I have asked about it... we'll see.

[hitech]

Are 100 bullet hits spread over the plane equivalent to 100 bullet hits in a single spot?

As far as scoreing goes. Yes theyare equal.

I agree about stoping score after a plane is none recoverable. I.E. missing an entire wing.


As to the example how it is scored.

Chute hit pilot leavng very little damage left to be done to kill the pilot. As an example 45 cal does 50 points damage. And 40 is aplied to the pilot wound. Now lets say another 10 points is required to kill the pilot.

The next bullet that hits the pilot would do that 10 damage , at witch time the plane is killied and the kill awarded. So the 45 did 50 and the other guy 10.

The bullets that strike after the pilot is dead would not be counted.
But do to lag you would not see the plane explode for some amout of time, and continue to see hits on the plane.

HiTech

[BlauK]

Thanks for the explanation It sounds possible that the 30mm has just by a chance been a pilot hit.

But lets assume it was not a direct pilot hit... if the 30mm hit just nearby the pilot, would it be counted also by how much damage it made to the cockpit, or some other parts (e.g. 100 points) plus what it did to remaining pilot (those 10 points). Would the 30mm shooter then get the kill?

.. or would the pilot get killed before the damage is applied to the cockpit or nearby area? ...thus resulting only as assist with those 10 points?

In other words, does the damage get counted simultaneously to all areas that are hit by the same shot?

[FiLtH]

Am I wrong in thinking a wing hit next to the cockpit, strictly damages the wing, and even though close it doesnt share the damage to the cockpit, no matter how big the blast?

[AKFokerFoder+]

I would really like to get an assist if I ping up a plane, and some else gets the kill before my hit packets arrive.

I dive on a bogey, light him up like a christmas tree, the bogey blows up, and I don't even get an assist.  And I think that is because the bogey is registered dead before my hit packets arrive.

Not that you get any perkie points for assists.  But it would be nice to get some credit.

[outbreak]

Maybe have it where if you get 2+ Assists it will say: Username Landed # Assists in a PLANE of SQUAD.