Author Topic: 20mm for the F4U-4 (Read 1643 times)

Grits · « **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2005, 10:56:36 PM »

I'm not advocating for the F4U-4C, I only wanted to point out that the standard F4U-4 saw extensive combat, and was not "rare" by any measure.

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2005, 10:57:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Mime
Yeah give the newbies another cannon hog crutch along with the Spitifres Typhoons Tempests and Hurricanes and 1c so they don't have to learn how to aim. They can just point in general direction, spray and hope for 1 hit. Don't worry about learning the game. Just make it easier to play.

We have several massively armed cannon fighters in AH2.

NIKI
190A8 (try the 2 20mm 2 30mm
190A5
Hurri
Typhie
Tempest
110
The 109s with the 2 20mm and 1 30mm
The LA7 with 3 nose mounted cannons
C Hog
262 4 30m
163

Probably missed one?

Add anything with 2 hispanos

Any of those are spray n pray

What is one more?

Mime · « **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:08:58 PM »

You can scratch everything off the list there that isn't a Hispano, because they sure as hell don't have the ballistics of that noob cannon that in real life jammed half the time.

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:20:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
4-'45. That's 2 months from June '45, Hornet.

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Okinawa was the largest amphibious invasion of the Pacific campaign and the last major campaign of the Pacific War. More ships were used, more troops put ashore, more supplies transported, more bombs dropped, more naval guns fired against shore targets than any other operation in the Pacific. More people died during the Battle of Okinawa than all those killed during the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Casualties totaled more than 38,000 Americans wounded and 12,000 killed or missing, more than 107,000 Japanese and Okinawan conscripts killed, and perhaps 100,000 Okinawan civilians who perished in the battle

The US stared bombardment in Mid March. The first kamikaze attacks of the Okinawan campaign began almost immediately.
The Battle ended 21 June 45.

The Japanese officially surrendered on 2 Sept 1945.

You can bet your boots that the F4U-4 saw extensive service during this fight. As a Marine close air support weapon, it would have been used to hammer well dug in Japanese positions.

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:24:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Mime
You can scratch everything off the list there that isn't a Hispano, because they sure as hell don't have the ballistics of that noob cannon that in real life jammed half the time.

Heh, ever been HO'd by a 110, the old G6 with 30mm, or NIKI or a LA7?

The LA7 if you run into the bullet stream with put you down toot sweet.

One ping from a 30mm you are toast (as you should be).

ramzey · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:56:16 PM »

its not simplier to grab Tempest?

geee, let me count

F4U-1C is perked, around 12-17
F4U-4 is perked too, +/-30

so,

F4U-1C=
+
F4U-4
=

F4U-4B/C = 50-70 perks

useless

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2005, 12:50:29 AM »

As I understood it all the stuff that claimed F4U-4Bs were used in WWII were actually based on misindentified F4U-1Cs.

I know that I have seen a least one photo claiming to be of F4U-4Bs that were actually F4U-1Cs.

Blooz · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2005, 05:38:09 AM »

It's obvious that the -4 hogs just got in at the end of the war.

Cannon armed -4 hogs also just got in plus there were very few available.

To add a cannon armed -4 to the game would just make it too pricey to use much anyway.

I say keep things as they are with the perked -4 hogs/ 6x.50's

I don't want every swinging Richard out their flying my plane anyway.

sniper68 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2005, 06:29:24 AM »

wow mime been here alittle over a year and your an expert on what would make the game dweeby thats interesting

Morpheus · « **Reply #24 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:20:24 AM »

Do you really think that the registration date for this board means much?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #25 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:36:02 AM »

WOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mime!

-- Todd/Leviathn

Rino · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2005, 11:16:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Mime
Yeah give the newbies another cannon hog crutch along with the Spitifres Typhoons Tempests and Hurricanes and 1c so they don't have to learn how to aim. They can just point in general direction, spray and hope for 1 hit. Don't worry about learning the game. Just make it easier to play.

I must have missed the "Noobies Only" tag on cannon aircraft. Realizing
how devasting being shotdown by someone new to the game must be, it
hardly seems fair to limit aircraft because they might pose a danger to you.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2005, 11:27:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Operational service date in squadrons was April '45 the war ended in AUGUST 15th '45. Not quite 6 months, but it was in service for Okinawa which lasted from April to July where it saw extensive combat off of CV's.

I stand corrected. Thanks Grits:aok

Edbert · « **Reply #28 on:** November 23, 2005, 11:52:32 AM »

Mime should know a noob ride when he sees one.

He's just a noob who hardly flies at all anyway.

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** November 23, 2005, 12:18:01 PM »

Nath,

One stoppage in 1500 rounds fired (RAF service, USAAF and USN service had a significantly higher stoppage rate due to US manufacturing issues) equals "in real life jammed half the time"?

It seems to me that a 1/1500th chance of a jam is much less than a 1/2 chance of a jam. The 240 rounds of a Spitfire or the 360 rounds of a Hurricane Mk IIc or the 560 rounds of a Typhoon or the 700 rounds of a Mosquito Mk VI all have a greater chance of firing all their rounds without suffering a jam than they do of jamming.