K-4 with cannon pods: some sources

[AGO]

It's sure the the cannon pods could be mounted.

It's sure the pilots could mount or not them.


Let's us the same decision.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by gatt
The reason that LW pilots removed gondolas from brand new K-4s is not a reason not to give us the chance to mount them.

Let me dig some other sources and I'll be back again. This double standard becomes to make me nervous.

Now wait a minute, aren't you the guy who is bellyaching about the use of drop tanks with less than full main tanks? See this thread.

Seriously, you want your option, but want to deny others their option! You should be nervous about double standards....

I agree that the gondolas should be an option. Almost no K-4s were flown in combat with them, but they could and the option existed. Likewise, it was very unusual for a fighter to carry a drop tank with less than full main tanks, but they could and the option existed....

You can't play on both sides of the net Gatt, pick a side and play there.

My regards,

Widewing

[straffo]

Is there a way to drop the gondolas to be lighter ?

no.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by straffo
Is there a way to drop the gondolas to be lighter ?

no.

Strawman argument... Is there a way to drop rocket tubes or racks? No...

So, don't take them if you don't want the weight/aero penalty.

Taking added weapons always has penalty.

You can take a drop tank and 50% gas in a K-4. Do so if you wish, it's an option. What, that's not historical? So what, the MA is NOT an historical arena, and was never intended to be... Some guys will never get it, even if you hand it to them.

My regards,

Widewing

[gatt]

Sure, I pick the side of realism.

Were some K-4 delivered with gunpods: YES. Did many pilots remove them to be lighter? YES. You can do it in the AH2 hangar before you take off. This is what I call realism.

Did pilots on medium/long range mission carry 25-50% int. fuel plus drop tanks? NO. Can you do it in AH2? YES. Just to be light before a merge. This is what I call gamey.

[Wilbus]

Personally I stay away from droptanks both in the 109's and the 190's now a days.

109's don't suffer from the DT rack as much (after DT is gone) but still suffers some. I prefer using those extra 6mph at the deck rather then long range.

Always fly 100% internal in 109's and 190's no matter if I have DT or not.

The Gunpods definatly should be an option.

Then again, I see less 109's these days which I kind of like, when up against a K4 I know he has to be able to aim somewhat to get a kill, not just spray and pray dweebery like some other people (although it sometimes works in the K4 too).

[gatt]

[Edited a silly thing]

Widewing, no I dont take less than 75% and drop tank with my K-4. And I take always 75% or 100% with my C.205. Everything less I consider gamey.

Listening so many ppl calling the MA a gamey arena (so everything is allowed) makes me sad. Really.

[Wilbus]

Well Gatt you know I agree with you on about everything else that has been said here but, the MA IS a gamey arena.

it's quake in the air (although damn fun and it takes lots of skill).

That is why I am really longing for ToD.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Widewing
Strawman argument... Is there a way to drop rocket tubes or racks? No...

The 210mm rocket tubes were jettisonable (irl).

[Widewing]

Originally posted by gatt
Sure, I pick the side of realism.

Were some K-4 delivered with gunpods: YES. Did many pilots remove them to be lighter? YES. You can do it in the AH2 hangar before you take off. This is what I call realism.

Did pilots on medium/long range mission carry 25-50% int. fuel plus drop tanks? NO. Can you do it in AH2? YES. Just to be light before a merge. This is what I call gamey.

Then you should be right at home in TOD...Beyond that, you merely proved my point. You want realisim when it suits you. Believe me, if we had FULL (as in true-to-life) realism in the MA, 90% of the players would never get off the runway, or even ON a runway for that matter. How many people could even start the engines? A handful at best. You guys want just enough realism to give you an edge.

HTC is in the process of building an arena where historical accuracy is the goal. The MA will always be a free-for-all, with any legitimate load-out option being allowed. You are just going to have to deal with that.

My regards,

Widewing

[gatt]

Ah Wil, it was only a cry in the wind.

There are some unavoidable things that make the MA gamey.

What makes me really sad is that there are so many gamey things very easy to fix.

BTW: GIVE THE PODS TO THE K-4 !!!

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Wilbus
Personally I stay away from droptanks both in the 109's and the 190's now a days.
 

Yeah, the drag penalty caused me to avoid drops on 109s and 190s...

My regards,

Widewing

[gatt]

Originally posted by Widewing
Then you should be right at home in TOD...Beyond that, you merely proved my point. You want realisim when it suits you. Believe me, if we had FULL (as in true-to-life) realism in the MA, 90% of the players would never get off the runway, or even ON a runway for that matter. How many people could even start the engines? A handful at best. You guys want just enough realism to give you an edge.

HTC is in the process of building an arena where historical accuracy is the goal. The MA will always be a free-for-all, with any legitimate load-out option being allowed. You are just going to have to deal with that.

My regards,

Widewing

Well, as far as edges are concerned, gamey options give them. Not realistic loadouts.

Really, its sad to see old respected hands like you Wide justify gamey things in the name of a gameish MA.

TOD? Whats TOD? Ah, I remember something 2 years ago. So far we have only the gamey MA.

[straffo]

And the fact that all planes suck gas twice as fast as in real disturb none?

[gatt]

Straffo,

the truth is that since our Main is gamey you have to accept it and play. You cant ask for a fix here or there (probably the worst). So, stop and play with what you have.

I hope this is not the official HTC word.