Answer me this, what is true freedom?

[StSanta]

Right on Pongo  

Freedom with religion, and freedom from religion  .

Won't discuss religion more than I already have, which was in relation to freedom  .


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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[funked]

Jehu is right.

[Naso]

 

From Jehu :
Example: You don’t have to teach children how to lie. They do automatically. But you DO have to teach them manners etc.

Absolutely wrong !!!!

In fact YOU teach the childrens to lie, they are clever than you think, they understand when you lie, and why.

When they ask a question you cant afford, your answer is a lie.
And when you threat a punishment for an error you are not capable to make them understand, they know: the best defence you give them is to lie.

You teach them to hate !!!

You teach them to steal !!!

You teach them to close the mind to other ideas than yours !!!

You teach them to adore the "money" deity !!!

You teach them to be slave !!!

You destroy the best gift your God (or somethink else, or nothing at all) has gived them: the innocence.

"love the others the same manner you love yourself"

This has been one of the gratest declarations of freedom ever said.
It is sad, the followers of that Man are guilty of the worst intollerant attitude, even today.

That Man said "the good will gain the kingdom of skyes" not the Christian nor the believer, but "The Good".

You can be christian, mussulmane, hebrew, buddist, taoist, ateos, in any case, if you love other, be helpful, understand the other, and act respecting the other's freedom the same manner you wish they respect your's, you are good.

I love you Jehu  

I love you all  

p.s.
Except the ugly americans  

p.p.s.
"Gaudio maximo, habemus papam, StSanta pontifex maximus!!"  

[StSanta]

"Gaudio maximo, habemus papam, StSanta pontifex maximus!!"

It sure looks cool, but do I want it on my CV?

What does it mean?  

Btw, funked, *I* am right. If you haven't realized it, it is because you're one of the plebeian masses who cannot see and appreciate my full glory.

StSantaism, hm now there's an idea...

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Staga]

Santageddon
Finnish game but flash animation looks like StSanta  

[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 08-22-2000).]

[Naso]

LOL  

Sorry i cant understand finnish language  

[StSanta]

ROFL!

You guys are TOO kind  

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[easymo]

 I would say true freedom is never, ever needing a weapon.

[SageFIN]

easymo, that was a fine statement  .

My personal view of true freedom is along the lines of following:
To be able to do as one likes, though with never interfering any other human being and his/hers ability to do just the same.

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SageFIN

"The wolves are gathering, the stars are shifting...
come, join us in the hunt!"
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[Ghosth]

True freedom comes only from within, it cannot come from without or from any external source. A man can be litterally enslaved with chains yet be totally free where it counts, inside.

We all trade our personal freedom every day for little things. Paychecks, freinds, family, and culture.  Personal freedom ends up takeing the back seat to civilization and society if we choose to live within it. Unless we are willing to give these up, to be the lone wolf and walk our own path uncareing what anyone else in the world thinks.

As a culture we are constantly forced to give up freedoms so that we may fit in. As an example, I am not free to drive 100 mph in a residential area without the risk of arrest and consequences. I have given up the personal freedom of speeding in order to live with others. Freedom also comes with a hefty price. Responsibility for our actions, respect for others, consideration for all those that our freedom may effect.

The more advanced the society, the more personal freedom is lost. Yet this is not a bad thing. As we give up personal freedom we gain freedom as a society.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose if you choose to look at it that way.

It is also just another word for everything to be gained.

"The needs of the many must outweight the needs of the few, or one"

Or do they?

[funked]

"The more advanced the society, the more personal freedom is lost."

Funny definition of "advanced" you have.  I would use the term "decayed" in that sentence.  

[Jack55]

Where's that dictionary when ya need it?

[StSanta]

Right here  

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :
Freedom \Free"dom\ (fr[=e]"d[u^]m), n. [AS. fre['o]d[=o]m;
fre['o]free + -dom. See Free, and -dom.]
1. The state of being free; exemption from the power and control of another; liberty; independence.
 
Made captive, yet deserving freedom more. --Milton.
 
2. Privileges; franchises; immunities.
 
Your charter and your caty's freedom. --Shak.
 
3. Exemption from necessity, in choise and action; as, the freedom of the will.
 
4. Ease; facility; as, he speaks or acts with freedom.
 
5. Frankness; openness; unreservedness.
 
I emboldened spake and freedom used.  --Milton.
 
6. Improper familiarity; violation of the rules of decorum; license.
 
7. Generosity; liberality. [Obs.] --Chaucer.
 
Freedom fine, a sum paid on entry to incorporations of trades.
 
Freedom of the city, the possession of the rights and privileges of a freeman of the city; formerly often, and now occasionally, conferred on one not a resident, as a mark of honorary distinction for public services.
 
Syn: See Liberty.


From WordNet (r) 1.6 :
freedom
n 1: the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints

2: immunity from an obligation or duty [syn: exemption]

Wonder if this helps though  

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime