Originally posted by Nr_RaVeN Point taken. got it.sorry let me rephrase.sarcastic was the wrong word frustrated would have been a better choice. my point is that something seems off with it. previously It was very simple for me to out climb anything in a g10 now in the k4 its not happining the same way and quite often im geting caught even by zeros now in a climb.I see posts that say the k4 is the same model as g10 but all I can say is what im seeing happening there is something odd happening perhaps the other planes have a better clim rate now I dont know something seems to have changed for me.