Author Topic: Russian (Read 2693 times)

Meatwad · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2005, 04:58:25 PM »

Where do you put the batteries in at?

Sandman · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2005, 05:34:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Remember, the I-16 entered service in 1932. It was a low wing monoplane with retractable landing gear.

Take a look at what the Americans, British, Germans, Italians or Japanese were putting into service in 1932. Fixed gear biplane fighters.

The I-16 was far ahead of it's time, but was obsolete by the time WWII started.

Still, the I-16-21 could do better than 300mph and has two 20mm cannon for armament. It would score some kills in AH.

I don't think it would become popular. Not anymore than the Stuka at any rate.

1K3 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2005, 09:53:49 PM »

The Russian F-16 is a goood match-up for the A6M2

a good setup for China and Far east around 1939-1940.

Note. I on the I-16 stands for *Istrebitel*... meaning Fighter:)

frank3 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2005, 01:31:08 AM »

Already wondered what it stood for, thanks Ike

SMIDSY · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2005, 03:39:10 AM »

just looked into it: the I-16 was very hard to fly. this was due to the torque to whieght ratio. it had a tendency to violently roll in a turn. soviet pilots said of the little bugger "If you can fly the I-16, you can fly anything."

frank3 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2005, 03:43:00 AM »

Ah I already thought of that! (read my earlier post)

It must've been because it had such a short fuselage

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2005, 06:01:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I don't think it would become popular. Not anymore than the Stuka at any rate.

I didn't say it would be popular. I said it would score some kills. Even the Spit I scores some kills.

frank3 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2005, 06:28:13 AM »

Sadly, there are not that many B5N's around today..

Ghosth · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2005, 07:43:06 AM »

yes please!

SMIDSY · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2005, 07:49:01 AM »

i love the B5N. the best carrier torpedo bomber. why? because it can out-turn every single plane in the game. you can just turn and turn and turn till help shows up.

frank3 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2005, 10:10:16 AM »

If only it could have just 1 .303 in the nose....

Krusty · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:26:03 PM »

Most I16s had pea shooters. No cannon armament I mean. Considering the way things are going in AH now, with the 109F-4 losing gondolas and the 109G-6 losing 30mm and the 109K-4 losing all ord, then any I-16 we get has to be representative of the series.

Considering that the I-16 is a pre-war plane, and that MOST were used in the early Soviet war because nothing else was available, we would get an early model. That means 1 or 2 13.7mms (if you're lucky!! THey might have had 7mms early on!) with limited ammo.

After a period of time the lend-lease planes came in and then the Soviet-built new fighters (laggs, migs, etc), so you only need the early I-16 to fill that hole.

I say it has little to no place in AH, with the current damage modeling.

Sandman · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:28:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
I didn't say it would be popular. I said it would score some kills. Even the Spit I scores some kills.

I wasn't disagreeing with you... just running on that train of thought.

Karnak · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:54:40 PM »

Krusty,

As I undertsand it, by far the majority of I-16s to see combat in WWII were I-16-24s. I-16-24s were armed with four 7.62mm ShKAS machine guns, two sychronized and two unsynchronized, with 650 rounds per gun. Or two 20mm ShVAk cannon with 180 rounds per gun.

Maximum speed at sea level was 273mph and maximum speed was 304mph at 3000m (9,840ft). 5.8 minutes to 5000m (16,400ft). 373 mile range on internal fuel, 600 miles with droptanks. The normal take off weight is a massive 4,215lbs, lighter than even the Ki-43.

Sandman · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2005, 01:02:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Most I16s had pea shooters. No cannon armament I mean. Considering the way things are going in AH now, with the 109F-4 losing gondolas and the 109G-6 losing 30mm and the 109K-4 losing all ord, then any I-16 we get has to be representative of the series.

Considering that the I-16 is a pre-war plane, and that MOST were used in the early Soviet war because nothing else was available, we would get an early model. That means 1 or 2 13.7mms (if you're lucky!! THey might have had 7mms early on!) with limited ammo.

After a period of time the lend-lease planes came in and then the Soviet-built new fighters (laggs, migs, etc), so you only need the early I-16 to fill that hole.

I say it has little to no place in AH, with the current damage modeling.

From what I've read, it had 20mm at the beginning of the war, but the later variants (other than type 27) did not because of the limited supply of ShVAK cannons. The first variant to have the 20mm was the type 17. It was designed in 1938 and fielded in 1939. It had two 20mm ShVAK and two 7.62mm ShVAS. I don't think any of them were armed with 13.7mm (but I could be wrong).