Originally posted by slimm50
Sakai, that's quite a dissertation (sp?) there. I guess it's easier to jump on the band wagon, or follow the crowd, or kick a man when he's down (or choose your own metaphor) than it is to try and imagine what the long-term reults of any action might be. (that might tax your reasoning ability beyond its limit).
Or perhaps you just like to see your ideas in print. Kinda like some folks just like to hear themselves talk.
Right, there's long term thinking in these guys' plans, that is why no one has ever espoused a plan and none of them knew what would happen when they invaded, what the peace would be like etc. See, they thought so long term that planning the next five years was out, right? Boy does that make sense!
Who here is not thinking long term?
Bush didn't, his apologists keep excusing the poor planning and stupid handling as "being visionary." Oh yeah baby!
Right. It's just covert vision we can't know about because it's too secret, right? That's why we were greeted by rose petals and the peace was so easy to maintain, right?
Zero effective planning matey, zero.
No clue as to what would happen when we took over, none. They wer ecaught flat footed and eveyrone in the world knows it, even Bush admits it now. So who was thinking long term here?
Oh and your boy's speech? Here you go, he lied again:
What's that adage about the first casualty of war?
In his speech on Iraq yesterday, George W. Bush cited military operations in Tal Afar as proof of the progress that Iraqi security forces are making. In Fallujah a year ago, the president said, the Iraqis' role was mostly "limited to protecting the flanks of coalition forces, and securing ground that had already been cleared by our troops." In Tal Afar this year, Bush said, "it was a very different story. The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces -- 11 Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support."
Time magazine reporter Michael Ware was embedded with U.S. troops who fought at Tal Afar, and he says things didn't play out quite like the president claimed. In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper last night -- Think Progress has the video -- Ware said: "I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaida. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. Green Beret Special Forces with them -- Green Berets who were following an American plan of attack, who were advancing with these Iraqi units as and when they were told to do so by the American battle planners. The Iraqis led nothing."
Now, if you have a vision and it's working why do you keep having to lie or miscite data to make your point? Shouldn't it sell itself on its obvious merits?
Sakai
