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Offline Silat

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« on: December 02, 2005, 06:56:52 PM »
Hmmm only one letter wrong got us into war with Iraq:)
N is the letter for today........................ .........

December 2, 2005
Russia Reportedly to Sell Missiles to Iran
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 6:37 p.m. ET

MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia has agreed to sell more than $1 billion worth of missiles and other defense systems to Iran, Russian news media reported Friday, a move expected to draw a heated reaction from the United States.

The Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies cited unidentified sources in the Russian military-industrial complex as saying that Russian and Iranian officials had signed contracts in November that would send up to 30 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran over the next two years.

Interfax said the Tor-M1 system could identify up to 48 targets and fire at two targets simultaneously at a height of up to 20,000 feet.

The news agency quoted its source as saying the two countries had reached a deal on modernizing Iran's air force inventory, as well.

The deal was also reported in the Vedomosti newspaper, which cited an unidentified manager at a military-industrial enterprise as saying Russia would provide Iran with 29 Tor missile systems that had originally been manufactured on orders from Greece.

The state arms export agency, Rosoboronexport, said it had no information on the reported deal.

No Iranian officials were immediately available for comment Friday, a weekly holiday in the country. There were no reports in the Iranian media about the deal.

While the conventional weapons deal would not violate international agreements, it was likely to elicit an adverse reaction from the United States.

''I expect that Russia's decision to supply the complexes to Iran will meet a negative reaction from the West, but this criticism will be of a political rather than legal character,'' Konstantin Kosachev, the head of the parliamentary foreign affairs committee, was quoted by Vedomosti as saying.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the United States had not yet validated the news reports.

Russia, a key Iranian ally, has resisted U.S.-led efforts to bring Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its alleged nuclear weapons program, insisting that the disputes be resolved through the U.N. nuclear watchdog.

Russia is also building a nuclear reactor in the Iranian city of Bushehr.

Israel considers Iran to be its biggest threat, and doesn't believe Tehran's claims that its nuclear program is peaceful. Israeli concerns were heightened recently after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad urged that Israel be ''wiped off the map.''

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said he was unaware of the reported deal between Russia and Iran, but said it would harm regional security.

''When a country hopes to strengthen the military potential of Iran, they are serving to strengthen the most negative elements in the region,'' Regev told The Associated Press in Jerusalem.

On Friday, Israel carried out a successful test of its Arrow missile defense system, intercepting and destroying a missile similar to Iran's long-range Shahab-3.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2005, 03:13:52 AM »
Is there someone who thinks an independent nation shouldn't be able to defend its airspace from hostile intruders?

It's just like getting a gun to protect your home if you get my point...  ;)

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2005, 04:05:38 AM »
Eh, same ****. Different week.


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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2005, 05:22:20 AM »
everyone does it. the US backs corrupt governments. give weapons to islamic extremists. GIVE ISREAL A FRIGGIN NUKE!! WTF!?!?!

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2005, 09:10:18 AM »
No big deal. If the US decided to attack Iran, all that money they spent on air defense will be wasted in about 3 days anyway.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2005, 10:11:49 AM »
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No big deal. If the US decided to attack Iran, all that money they spent on air defense will be wasted in about 3 days anyway.



Very good point!  Besides, no anti-aircraft defence can protect your capital from the B-2/F-117! Just my 2 cents!
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2005, 10:22:37 AM »
the F-117 isnt quite invisible to radar. in fact, durring the first gulf war, brit radar frequently spotted nighthawk squadrons. also, if the B-2 is invisible to radar, how can the F-22 be LESS visible to radar? makes no sence.


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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2005, 10:35:17 AM »
AFAIK B-2 is supposed to work from outside of air-defence range, or when air-defence is suppressed.

F-117 was already shot down by Yugoslavs.

Smart echeloned air-defence is almost impossible to destroy. So far all American "achievements" were against third-world countries, exausted by decades of siege.

BTW, read an interesting story about Vietnamese countermeasures against first SHRIKEs. They simply hanged worn thin mats around the antenna at some distance :D Maybe it's why we captured an undamaged HARM in Lybia 1986 - it made a hole in a target-illuminating antenna and softly landed in the sand :D

I think Russia should make a serious discount on SAMs for Iran. Even if it will not bring huge profits - it will keep our weapon factories and R&D institutes working.

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2005, 10:50:55 AM »
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AFAIK B-2 is supposed to work from outside of air-defence range, or when air-defence is suppressed.


No.
The main limitation on B-2 and F-117 is that they work at night, because they don't have performance to escape an interceptor that makes visual contact.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2005, 10:58:22 AM »
Well the latest and greatest (I don't believe they're beyond prototype however... SA-16?) Soviet SAM systems constitute a very high threat level. They can engage up to 8 targets simultaneously, including shooting at incoming anti-radiation missles.

As for stealth, the fact is even in an F-117, the pilot's head has a radar signature several thousand times larger than the aircraft (leading to special coatings on the windows). The only time it's truly vulnerable is either from bad maintenance (a bolt head wasn't perfectly flush, destroying the stealth characteristics) or when the weapon bay doors open for deployment. The F-22 is nothing to sneeze at either. They're sending them up 2 vs 8 against F-15s in exercises and the pilots claim it's like clubbing baby seals... against an aircraft with the best KDR in history (250+ kills for 0 losses).

All that aside, it's still training and experience that are the determining factor.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2005, 10:58:30 AM »
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No.
The main limitation on B-2 and F-117 is that they work at night, because they don't have performance to escape an interceptor that makes visual contact.


Projectors and anti-aircraft baloons?... And people on the roofs with sand-buckets and tongs?... Oh, they probably fly too high for baloons...

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2005, 11:01:33 AM »
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against an aircraft with the best KDR in history (250+ kills for 0 losses).


Exaggerating? Syrian MiG-23MLs shot down several F-15s, it's a fact.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2005, 11:34:23 AM »
I give the sams and other defense systems 3 days before Israel trashes it all.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2005, 12:16:46 PM »
I think Isreal should just build up enough rocket launchers and saturate Iran with IPBM's. After the D is gone they could send in the BB's and large cargos to take all the res that the Iranians have. A heavey enough strike however, will end up putting the Iranians into noob status and the Isreali's won't be able to probe of hit them for a while........
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2005, 12:22:55 PM »
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Exaggerating? Syrian MiG-23MLs shot down several F-15s, it's a fact.


Best I've found so far is a pair of F-15s being hit in the 1982 conflict. One by an IR SAM while egressing, damaged, landed at a forward base. The other was hit by an R-3S from a Mig-21F, and landed on one engine at a nearbye base.

I won't discount the fact one could have been shot down, but can you find a link to confirm it?