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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2005, 09:21:25 AM »
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Well that's just it, but according to some of the critics here, he couldn't even do that - in the New York years. He was also an intensely jealous person, and did not provide adequately for his wife Cynthia and their son Julian when he left them or, more accurately, after he ordered them out of the house they'd shared - Kenwood, in St. George's estate, Weybridge. Great man? Hmmm...


Two paragraphs about sum up Lennon and the Beatles.
Doesnt matter what the critics here say. Particularly since none have acheived anywhere near either of the following.
When they have. Then they can talk like they know something.;)

"In his remarkable lifetime, John Lennon and the Beatles achieved spectacular worldwide fame. No band before or after them has come close to the level of success and popularity that they attained.

Throughout the 1960s, Lennon and his bandmates, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and song-writing partner Paul McCartney had an extraordinary influence on rock and roll. Together with McCartney, Lennon wrote dozens of instant classics which lost none of their power in the decades that followed. These songs are so well known that their melodies and lyrics are recognized instantly all over the world."

As far as his split.
I doubt very much they were hurting financially. But either way it shows he was human like the rest of us an on a personal level not much different then millions of other men, and women who do the same exact thing every day
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2005, 10:32:11 AM »
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Two paragraphs about sum up Lennon and the Beatles.
Doesnt matter what the critics here say. Particularly since none have acheived anywhere near either of the following.
When they have. Then they can talk like they know something.;)

"In his remarkable lifetime, John Lennon and the Beatles achieved spectacular worldwide fame. No band before or after them has come close to the level of success and popularity that they attained.

Throughout the 1960s, Lennon and his bandmates, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and song-writing partner Paul McCartney had an extraordinary influence on rock and roll. Together with McCartney, Lennon wrote dozens of instant classics which lost none of their power in the decades that followed. These songs are so well known that their melodies and lyrics are recognized instantly all over the world."

As far as his split.
I doubt very much they were hurting financially. But either way it shows he was human like the rest of us an on a personal level not much different then millions of other men, and women who do the same exact thing every day



Well said.

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2005, 11:19:05 AM »
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Well that's just it, but according to some of the critics here, he couldn't even do that - in the New York years. He was also an intensely jealous person, and did not provide adequately for his wife Cynthia and their son Julian when he left them or, more accurately, after he ordered them out of the house they'd shared - Kenwood, in St. George's estate, Weybridge. Great man? Hmmm...


With all due respect for your right to your opinion beetle...if it was not for the character flawed talentless types like John lennon, on what would you base your superiority?

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2005, 12:23:21 PM »
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With all due respect for your right to your opinion beetle...if it was not for the character flawed talentless types like John lennon, on what would you base your superiority?
I didn't say he was talentless. I said his work in New York was lacklustre compared with what went before, and I expressed the belief that he wasn't the "great man" that many people seem to think he was. That is all.

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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2005, 11:26:37 AM »
Here's my belief beetle. The man took a bullet and is dead. To denigrate him here on the anniversery of his death is as rude, crude and tasteless as the raking over the coals you recieved here as a result of someone running their fat yap about your personal life. Just sayin.

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2005, 11:44:23 AM »
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Here's my belief beetle. The man took a bullet and is dead. To denigrate him here on the anniversery of his death is as rude, crude and tasteless as the raking over the coals you recieved here as a result of someone running their fat yap about your personal life. Just sayin.
Actually, he took about fours bullets. And I'm not denigrating him. I'm just saying what I believe to be true. I have read the biographical account by his first wife, and she was treated shabbily by John. The first Cynthia knew of Yoko's existence was when she returned to the family home to find her and John doing Yoga exercises together. Neither Yoko nor John had any misgivings about that. Cynthia was ordered to pack up and leave within a few weeks of that. OK, John might have had some artistic talent, but as for being a "great man" - don't think so. YMMV

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2005, 12:04:11 PM »
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Actually, he took about fours bullets. And I'm not denigrating him. I'm just saying what I believe to be true. I have read the biographical account by his first wife, and she was treated shabbily by John. The first Cynthia knew of Yoko's existence was when she returned to the family home to find her and John doing Yoga exercises together. Neither Yoko nor John had any misgivings about that. Cynthia was ordered to pack up and leave within a few weeks of that. OK, John might have had some artistic talent, but as for being a "great man" - don't think so. YMMV



What the heck does being a chitty husband have to do with paying respects to a man that changed the face of music in this country and others?

I could care less about his personal life as it was none of my buisness.
What I do care about was his ability to write some of the most timeless music of our time.

You know judgemental people are most offten than not the ones with all the bones in there closets.

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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2005, 01:27:47 PM »
I read somewhere that lennon was a rapist, that he had raped a young woman in his art college days and that he damn near kicked a man to death after he suckerpunched him down out cold, in his early years of course.  Lennon was a great lyricist when he was motivated by McCartney, out of jealously no doubt.  Yep...some people think Lennon got a fatal dose of Karma that cold December night.....
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2005, 01:33:34 PM »
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You know judgemental people are most offten than not the ones with all the bones in there closets.
You talking about Cynthia then? Because I was referring to her book about John...

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2005, 03:05:29 PM »
"Working Class Hero" is a great example of Lennon's great voice, pretty raw and with just a simple guitar backing and some good lyrics.

I'm not much into his solo stuff though. Some other solo songs that I like are: Imagine, Beautiful Boy, Watching the Wheels (good lyrics), Instant Karma.

Never cared much about how he lived his life. I'm not someone who thinks celebraties are something special as people.

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2005, 03:05:54 PM »
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I have read the biographical account by his first wife, and she was treated shabbily by John.  


:rofl :aok
First wife? Yep , no chance for a biased opinion there.
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2005, 04:33:17 PM »
would he still be alive if the us had British gun laws?;)

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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2005, 04:37:40 PM »
Also sam cook johnny Ace & Kurt cohbain albeit the Last two by their own hand:(

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2005, 05:14:12 PM »
Well, his music was good, so is McCartney's, and them together as a team - whoa - tops everything.
My daughter at 1 already liked Lennon's "Imagine" for instance ;)

A bad loss. McCartney just published an excellent album, and I wish Lennon was alive and doing something good as well.

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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2005, 07:33:35 PM »
I think Chapman would have killed John Lennon with a plastic fork if thats all he had available to him.  A better question to ask might be this:  Would Lennon still be alive if he had not been such a dorkchorkler?
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