Damage? Where?

[Stang]

lol La7.

[Wilbus]

Rubber bullets maybe?

Still waiting for an answer from HT about my film. Would be interesting to hear about it.

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Naytch
I usually notice that my pony doesn't usually go down after those kinds of snapshots - only 110's can manage to bring down planes with snapshots like that. Remember that the 20mm fires fairly slowly. i'm not surprised that nothing happened. The only thing messed up about this incident is that sr lost his gear, but we all know that the damage model is not very reliable.

sr, wtg.

Really?  Ive taken down ponies really quickly with my 38.  Taken 51s down with a quick burst of only 10-15 mg rounds which is about 4-5 cannon rounds.  Yea the 38 guns are more concentrated but just thought I would mention it.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Naytch
I usually notice that my pony doesn't usually go down after those kinds of snapshots - only 110's can manage to bring down planes with snapshots like that. Remember that the 20mm fires fairly slowly. i'm not surprised that nothing happened. The only thing messed up about this incident is that sr lost his gear, but we all know that the damage model is not very reliable.

sr, wtg.

There is clearly more than just 1 or 2 hits to that wing. There are enough hits that it should have taken the wing off of the pony. Your statement about deflection shots is very far fetched Naytch. That is how I make my living in the MA and its not with a 110.

Btw, can you please post the film MugZ. Id like to see it from the 51's pov in exterior view slowed down.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by frank3
Indeed, besides the gear, there aren't any vital parts in that part of the wing, the rounds would probably have gone clean trough (or just impacted in the wing) without doing more damage than only the right gear.

Where are the wing fuel cells?
I would have thought 2x 20mm rounds placed at the wing root at D50 or so would take the wing off?

Originally posted by frank3
Well I don't think Mugzeee had much of a choise whether to go for this snapshot or not. Look at his speed, he seems to have just recovered from a loop (or hefty climb) and just saw the P-51 racing below him and saw the oportunity to land a few shots.

Not sure if Mugzee could've actually tracked the P-51, since it seems the P-51 suddenly appeared in his gunsight.

Couldnt be more off base frank.
I was a dogfight gone from high E to near stall for both AC. I kept taking high risk passes he pinged me several times at high angle deflections. I was trying to get the pony slower under me so i could roll over and drop on him...as he glided onder me. It worked, cept the killin part.

Originally posted by Schatzi
Im guessing he was passing you fairly fast (from a Hurricane point of view ). Considering rate of fire and muzzle  speed of your cannon the 'space' between the bullets is quite large. Add to that the targets speed and the high angle at wich you were firing: You probably had only one or two hits on different places. Not enough to take the wing off a Pony......

We were pretty slow by this time. 140, 130 roughly.

[viper215]

Thats BULLSH**

[SkyChimp]

Originally posted by viper215
Thats BULLSH**

Called lagg pfft


Rubber bullets

[Mugzeee]

[lasersailor184]

I count 2 hits.  What about everyone else?

[SkyChimp]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I count 2 hits.  What about everyone else?

2

[Mugzeee]

there are 3.
2 in  almost the same spot on the leading edge of the wing...and one just in front of the Aileron.
I guess that's why your are the "LeserSailor"?

[mechanic]

as much as i understand your complaint mugzeee, how grudam boring would this game be if there was a exact set amount of damage stating that*3* 20mm hits=wing off.



AH2 is a little bit random when it comes to damage, and  think its all the better for it.


can't we chalk this kind of thing up to a small bit of 'virtual luck'?

[GunnerCAF]

Originally posted by frank3
Well I don't think Mugzeee had much of a choise whether to go for this snapshot or not. Look at his speed, he seems to have just recovered from a loop (or hefty climb) and just saw the P-51 racing below him and saw the oportunity to land a few shots.

Not sure if Mugzee could've actually tracked the P-51, since it seems the P-51 suddenly appeared in his gunsight.

I don't doubt the setup.  I have taken many shots like this myself.  If I saw a P51 like this in front of my LA, you can bet I would be clamped on the trigger

What I see is an out-of-plane snapshot with cannons.  These kinds of shots do not always bring down the bad guys.  

I see what could be 3 or 4 hits from the last screen shots.  

Gunner

[lasersailor184]

Just counted again on both angles and I still see only 2 hits.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Schatzi
Im guessing he was passing you fairly fast (from a Hurricane point of view ). Considering rate of fire and muzzle  speed of your cannon the 'space' between the bullets is quite large. Add to that the targets speed and the high angle at wich you were firing: You probably had only one or two hits on different places. Not enough to take the wing off a Pony......

They arent going that fast. Look at MuGzeee's speed, and notice the Pony's flaps are out. He is almost point blank on him from a 90 degree angle. 2-3 cannon shots is more than enough to take the wing off a Pony in the situation.

OOZ662

 Looks like three rounds are fired and one misses. Only see 2 sprites. I've never taken a wing off with 2x20mm hits. Blasting 110s in a Yak-9T can't be beat though.  

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If you've never done it you will. Its not that rare.