Author Topic: UN map has removed Israel (Read 1586 times)

Krusher · « **Reply #60 on:** December 14, 2005, 03:51:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
No, you initially claimed a reputable source when in fact it was a partisan UN "watchdog" site. For example, the site you linked to doesn't inform the reader that Kofi Annan later apologised for the presence of the map in question and promised to ensure that such an occurance wouldn't take place again. This is important context that was omitted.

No, I read your post just fine the first time and your successive posts too.

An opinion that isn't consistent with the facts, namely that the use of the flag wasn't endorsed by any decision-making body of the UN and by the fact that the UN Secretary General later apologised for its presence. That's the same guy who has gone on the record multiple times in condemning the rhetoric that comes from Iran on the subject of Israel, something I can't believe you'd be unaware of if you had any serious interest in the issue.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if you are going to express it in an open forum then you should be able to back it up.

So far you haven't.

it still does not matter what site it came from it was verified by a 2nd site.

Apparently not, you have been trying from post one to make it something it wasn't.

Kofi annan apologized for his sons corruption, that doesn't mean I have to believe him. That map was part of a planned/staged event.

my pov is consistent with what I consider to be a partisan UN anti-Israel/pro Palestinian agenda, this is certainly not the only one.

I am well aware of the secretary generals double speak. As stated above I choose not to believe him.

If you believe a planned event with an Arab flag planted onstage between a un flag was an accident that's your opinion. An apology is not erasing the act.

straffo · « **Reply #61 on:** December 14, 2005, 05:15:21 PM »

Stop banging your head on th wall Krusher , you make to much noise.

Krusher · « **Reply #62 on:** December 14, 2005, 08:07:45 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Stop banging your head on th wall Krusher , you make to much noise.

Quit biting at my ankles its an annoying habit of yours.

101ABN · « **Reply #63 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:14:13 AM »

Old map.. made prior to Isreals creation...... is that a Palestinian flag next to the UN one?

Momus-- · « **Reply #64 on:** December 15, 2005, 10:09:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
it still does not matter what site it came from it was verified by a 2nd site.

Apparently not, you have been trying from post one to make it something it wasn't.

I pointed out that the site you linked to didn't give the background of the map in question. You still haven't dealt with that point, despite my having added some of the missing context.

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That map was part of a planned/staged event.

And you have still to demonstrate any intent on behalf of the UN.

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my pov is consistent with what I consider to be a partisan UN anti-Israel/pro Palestinian agenda, this is certainly not the only one.

Good, I'm sure you can post examples to support your case then. Lets have them, along with the ones I am still waiting for to support your claim that the UN shares the Iranian President's desire to remove Israel from the face of the globe. This is the 3rd or 4th time of asking now.

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I am well aware of the secretary generals double speak. As stated above I choose not to believe him.

At the risk of repeating myself, let us have examples of what you are referring to in support of your allegation.

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If you believe a planned event with an Arab flag planted onstage between a un flag was an accident that's your opinion. An apology is not erasing the act.

You can disregard Annan's claim that he was unaware of the map and his subsequent apology. But so far that map is all you have to support your position in the face of all the other evidence I have supplied to the contrary.

Krusher · « **Reply #65 on:** December 15, 2005, 10:46:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
I pointed out that the site you linked to didn't give the background of the map in question. You still haven't dealt with that point, despite my having added some of the missing context.

And you have still to demonstrate any intent on behalf of the UN.

Good, I'm sure you can post examples to support your case then. Lets have them, along with the ones I am still waiting for to support your claim that the UN shares the Iranian President's desire to remove Israel from the face of the globe. This is the 3rd or 4th time of asking now.

At the risk of repeating myself, let us have examples of what you are referring to in support of your allegation.

You can disregard Annan's claim that he was unaware of the map and his subsequent apology. But so far that map is all you have to support your position in the face of all the other evidence I have supplied to the contrary.

Background? if you need more background to form your opinion on what "looks like" a very biased event, that's none of my concern. I don't have need to provide background for a picture.

As stated, you may not like the my reasoning, but I find the UN to be biased. You found the web site that hosted the jpg to be anti-un, I didn't.

For your review.

Definitions
point of view
noun points of view

1. One's own particular way of looking at or attitude towards something, influenced by personal considerations and experience.

It is my point of view that there is life on other planets. Must I produce a picture of a little green man to prove it?

It is my POV that the Yankees are the best team money can buy. They didn't win the world series, but that is still my POV.

It is my POV that the current leader of Iran seeks the destruction of Israel do we need a mushroom cloud to prove it?

In my Point of view the UN is biased, corrupt and unprofessional.

This conversation is going nowhere repeating ourselves is pointless. Form your own opinion and I will do the same. I will have to "assume" that you disagree.

Momus-- · « **Reply #66 on:** December 15, 2005, 11:44:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusher

It is my point of view that there is life on other planets. Must I produce a picture of a little green man to prove it?

You are not comparing like with like. Information on the UN is widely available. Information on alien life is not.

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It is my POV that the Yankees are the best team money can buy. They didn't win the world series, but that is still my POV.

Certainly, but if you expressed that opinion you could reasonably be expected to provide a rational argument to support it.

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It is my POV that the current leader of Iran seeks the destruction of Israel do we need a mushroom cloud to prove it?

That is quite apparent from his statements and isn't a point of debate here but rather it is your flimsy contention that he is supported in his desire by the UN.

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In my Point of view the UN is biased, corrupt and unprofessional.

So you should be able to easily produce examples to that effect in relation to your claim on the UN position regarding Israel's existence.

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This conversation is going nowhere repeating ourselves is pointless. Form your own opinion and I will do the same. I will have to "assume" that you disagree.

This conversation is going nowhere because you either refuse or are unable to produce any real evidence to support your wild assertion despite being asked to do so on multiple occasions over the course of several days.

Krusher · « **Reply #67 on:** December 15, 2005, 01:09:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
This conversation is going nowhere because you either refuse or are unable to produce any real evidence to support your wild assertion despite being asked to do so on multiple occasions over the course of several days.

unbelievable

straffo · « **Reply #68 on:** December 15, 2005, 03:28:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
unbelievable

No it's just you, just how you are.

Nilsen · « **Reply #69 on:** December 15, 2005, 03:33:20 PM »

lol.. great thread

lada · « **Reply #70 on:** December 15, 2005, 04:05:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes, lets drop the UN and let the US take charge of all international affairs.

We need someone that can act, and not just sit around debating. We dont need a forum were all nations can sit down and discuss problems.. we need ACTION!

ummm ... i might try it next time, when i meet some pretty gal.
It might be useful, thx for tip

lada · « **Reply #71 on:** December 15, 2005, 04:51:09 PM »

hey i have some 50+ years old maps as well.... shall shot myself, because Israel whitch has been annihilated 2000 years ago is not on those maps ?

lol that made me laugh when i read this week that "israel have right to be there, because ancient israel was there 2000 years ago"

I want our empire back ( its our right we had it ONLY 500 years ago !!!! )

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #72 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:04:36 PM »

While formal Israel might not have been there, Jews have always lived there.

lada · « **Reply #73 on:** December 15, 2005, 06:10:46 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
While formal Israel might not have been there, Jews have always lived there.

so they is no point to changing it... is there ?

hell yeah .. before israel, jews lived all around the ME w/o problems and some of them do even today....

but then we had some smart^$%#^mother$*(^^%#&* (namely UK) decided to determine whats best for region and fun begun.

pre 1923 Palestine was quite ok, untill british tried to be smart and fubared it.
( or not ? )
Btw we had probably biggest jews comunity in europe before ww2 here. They has been here for some 1000 years.. or ..so...
Yet nobody see any single reason, why should they establish country overhere.

Nilsen · « **Reply #74 on:** December 15, 2005, 06:13:56 PM »

What I want to know is when there will be a F1 race in Israel. its way overdue imo.