Problems down under?

[Yeager]

I recall those viscious murders of friendly people visiting the country.  

Imo, people who murder other people for no lawful reason  (ie self defense against criminal intent) should be led to the "bye-bye room" and be quietly disposed of.  Just like Tookie....maybe even miss the vein a few times....just for dramatic effect.

Once a killer is dead he can no longer kill.  That works for me.

[Seagoon]

Hi All,

Article in the Scotsman attempting to explain the roots of the recent riots.
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Attacks 'linked to Sydney riots'

Attacks linked to two nights of race rioting in Sydney have been reported in two other Australian cities, but an uneasy calm has returned to the streets of Sydney.

As night fell, hundreds of police converged on the beachside suburb of Cronulla and stopped and searched dozens of cars.

But there were no arrests reported and no repeat of the previous night's rampage in which dozens of cars full of young men of Middle Eastern appearance smashed store windows and cars in apparent retaliation for a race riot on Sunday in which 5,000 white men chanted racial slurs and attacked youths they believed were of Lebanese descent.

Lebanese community leader Keysar Trad criticised the violence, which was triggered when men who were reportedly Lebanese allegedly beat up two volunteer surf lifesavers.

"We have always condemned the ... violence or anti-social behaviour on the beaches or anywhere else," Trad told television's Channel Nine.

He later held talks with members of a surf gang called the Bra Boys in Maroubra, one of the beach suburbs hit by violence, and said they were an example of how Australians of different ethnic groups can mix at Sydney's beaches.

"They expressed their outrage at what happened at Cronulla and they expressed their support and appreciation for the Middle Eastern community," Trad said. "They have many friends who are from a Lebanese and Middle Eastern background and of various religions, so they want peace."

Anger toward groups of young Lebanese men in Sydney that erupted on Sunday has been simmering for years, particularly since a horrific gang rape case in 2002.

At a trial in Sydney, prosecutors and witnesses said members of a Lebanese gang hurled racial abuse at their rape victims, all of whom were white. The ring leader, Bilal Skaf, was sentenced to 55 years, an unusually severe sentence in Australia.

"The rapes have had a significant impact in terms of race relations in Sydney," said Professor Chris Culleen, director of the Institute of Criminology at Sydney University.

© Copyright Press Association Ltd 2005, All Rights Reserved.

This article: http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2401582005

Last updated: 13-Dec-05 18:00 GMT

[Pei]

The Bra Boys are a bunch of thugs, don't let anyone tell you differently. They aren't an all white gang either: there are a lot of Maoris and Islanders as well.


The basic problem is that the Police haven't been able to stop the formation and activities of the various gangs: in the inner west of Syndey these tend be Middle Eastern and/or Meditteranean/Southern European whereas on the beaches they are Northern European, Maori and Islander. Cronulla is a nice beach that is easy to reach from the inner west. For some time now there has been problems between these gangs, it was only a matter of time before it erupted into open warfare.


And before someone puts too much emphasis on the religous elements most Lebanese in Sydney are Maronite Christians (and they are well represented in the various gangs).

[Hornet33]

While 9 deaths doesn't seem like a large number, the real question is how many robberies happened where someone wasn't killed just beat up and robbed? I remember when this was on the news. They esstimated that only about 60-70% of actual cases where even reported to the police. I have a couple of friends that were stationed down there during that time and they tell me it was pretty bad.

[storch]

Originally posted by Hornet33
While 9 deaths doesn't seem like a large number, the real question is how many robberies happened where someone wasn't killed just beat up and robbed? I remember when this was on the news. They esstimated that only about 60-70% of actual cases where even reported to the police. I have a couple of friends that were stationed down there during that time and they tell me it was pretty bad.

ya the rapes, carjackings and robberies generally went unreported in the news. it was pretty bad for the tourists until the tags were less conspicuous.  they tend not to mess around too much with us locals.  if they do they generally get the wood put to'm right quick and the police don't generally investigate real thoroughly in those instances, unless it's a fatality and then a media and local clergy driven witch hunt generally ensues.  kinda like that lionel tate apprentice thug who murdered a female playmate as kid with a wrestling move while his mother was passed out in the house.  he was released from prison upon turning 18.  the first thing he does is hold up a pizza deliveryman and then after being almost let off scott free for that goes on to commit another strong arm recently.  no more preachers and ladies in funny hats on tv being outraged by the injustice this time though.  the aussies seem to have that issue in australia under control i suspect it will be nothing like what happened in france.

[Toad]

Originally posted by storch
let me see, you are saying that because the number is statistically insignificant it less of a tragedy?

Not at all. I'm questioning your use of the words "many" and "rampant" in describing the incidents.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by john9001
they were attacking tourists because the criminals know tourists don't carry guns,  (Florida is a right to carry state)

They were attacking rental vehicles because they knew that many (but not all) were driven by foreign tourists who would be carrying large sums of cash, credit cards and other monetary instruments, plus expensive electronic goods such as cameras. How would they know that the driver of the rental car was not an American businessman with a gun? If it's not permissible to take guns on flights, even in checked luggage, that would explain it...

I have driven rental cars with big orange rental car signs on them, all around Spain - never got shot at once.

BTW - how many people were SHOT in the recent riots in Australia?

[Dago]

Originally posted by beet1e


BTW - how many people were SHOT in the recent riots in Australia?

Not enough, that is why they continue more than one night.  Rioters should be fair targets.  Same with looters in my book.  

[storch]

Originally posted by Dago
Not enough, that is why they continue more than one night.  Rioters should be fair targets.  Same with looters in my book.  

he doesn't get it.  if that were to occur here the rioting would remain exclusively in the "opportunity" neighborhood where they originate.  in Miami there is nothing left for them to burn in those areas.  during the 1980 arthur mcduffie riots they burned down the few important places of employment in their community and none have been rebuilt or will be rebuilt.  there aren't even any major chain supermarkets in those areas.  the rioting was contained to those areas exclusively by the people whose homes abutted those areas.  at that time I live immediately across the tracks from a pretty bad neighborhood.  at the height of the rioting many of the residents in my neighborhood were out in the front of their houses shotguns at the ready ala second hand lions.  none of those rioters ever even came within 200 yards of the tracks, they knew.  the only white fatalities were an elderly couple dragged from their car and beaten to death and their car set on fire.  all the other fatalities were black on black and from within that community.  just like in N.O. and L.A. they looted, but only from each other.  of course the pinheads in the media attempted to make much more of it than it was.  It may have even made the national news I don't recall if it did.

[straffo]

Storch you can use this :



please ?

[lazs2]

we never have any good riots around here.

lazs

[lasersailor184]

*Anymore

[lazs2]

Nope... never.  I guess I need to move to a blue area to really get the full benifiet of socialism.

lazs

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Pei
The Bra Boys are a bunch of thugs, don't let anyone tell you differently. They aren't an all white gang either: there are a lot of Maoris and Islanders as well.


The basic problem is that the Police haven't been able to stop the formation and activities of the various gangs: in the inner west of Syndey these tend be Middle Eastern and/or Meditteranean/Southern European whereas on the beaches they are Northern European, Maori and Islander. Cronulla is a nice beach that is easy to reach from the inner west. For some time now there has been problems between these gangs, it was only a matter of time before it erupted into open warfare.


And before someone puts too much emphasis on the religous elements most Lebanese in Sydney are Maronite Christians (and they are well represented in the various gangs).

It's a good thing that the Aussie Govt. took away all of the firearms.  Imagine the chaos of those who perished might have been able to save their lives.  

Karaya

[lazs2]

call me selfish but... when a bunch of thugs are rioting in my neighborhood...  I want to be armed.

lazs