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« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2005, 10:20:15 AM »
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Quote away, but don't believe that you can draw accurate inferences.
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2005, 11:14:44 AM »
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Quote away, but don't believe that you can draw accurate inferences.
SO you've been lying all this time?:confused:

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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2005, 11:21:23 AM »
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2005, 11:31:53 AM »
I think the real point of all this is that the Conservative movement in America cannot exist without an enemy. Unless there is some grave threat to our very existance they got nothing. On one hand they are all for getting the government out of our lives, but all for getting the church of the majority into our lives. Like it or not.

But here is the thing.... no one is forcing you to be a muslim, no one is forcing you to be an atheist. No one can force Target or Walmart to stop saying Merry Christmas or Happy St. Visson's day or whatever. The only "attack on Christmas" is in the propaganda of the conservative movement.

You all enjoy your straw man ... set him up, knock him down... repeat as needed until it sounds like the truth.

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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2005, 11:53:02 AM »
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But here is the thing.... no one is forcing you to be a muslim, no one is forcing you to be an atheist. No one can force Target or Walmart to stop saying Merry Christmas or Happy St. Visson's day or whatever. The only "attack on Christmas" is in the propaganda of the conservative movement.


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It has nothing to do with conservatives, in my opinion. It's just that being "PC aware" has caused business to re-evaluate a lot of things. It's not really even political correctness......I'd say it's more that businesses are just trying to appeal to the people they think are the majority of their customer base. No big deal to me.

I'm not bothered by stores not mentioning Christmas or any other holiday. Then can and will do what they think is in their best interest. If enough people complain any of their policies, they usually adapt to that too.

I don't agree that the conservative movement could not exist without an enemy. What you are seeing in this "attack on Christmas" is not really political, I don't believe.

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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2005, 12:08:40 PM »
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Straw man?  How about real people out there doing real things to squish traditions and culture?
Most of this is never reported at a national level. One quick google search with key words will find many stories that you've not seen.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1005/LIFESTYLE

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...?p1=MEWell_Pos3

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=29942

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Article...cle.asp?ID=3837

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=35544

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loc...4p-145167c.html


You just posted 6 links that either go nowhere or say nothing..


What are you gonna do now?



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« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2005, 12:21:32 PM »
Fixed.

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« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2005, 12:23:33 PM »
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I think the real point of all this is that the Conservative movement in America cannot exist without an enemy.


Replace "Conservative" with "Liberal", "Progressive", "Fascist", or any other political term labeling a political philisophy for more equally true statements.
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« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2005, 01:10:23 PM »
"movement" would have to have something to move for/to or against/from so this would apply to any group.
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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2005, 01:35:06 PM »
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SO you've been lying all this time?:confused:


Think about it.
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« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2005, 01:59:56 PM »
Hi MT,

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I think the real point of all this is that the Conservative movement in America cannot exist without an enemy. Unless there is some grave threat to our very existance they got nothing. On one hand they are all for getting the government out of our lives, but all for getting the church of the majority into our lives. Like it or not.

But here is the thing.... no one is forcing you to be a muslim, no one is forcing you to be an atheist. No one can force Target or Walmart to stop saying Merry Christmas or Happy St. Visson's day or whatever. The only "attack on Christmas" is in the propaganda of the conservative movement.

You all enjoy your straw man ... set him up, knock him down... repeat as needed until it sounds like the truth.


I'm hardly one to go around screaming about the elimination of Christmas from the public square, but I would put it to you that there is an undeniable spiritual dimension to all of this.

Take note of the article above on Ramadan being taught in public schools in Virginia (this mirrors recent teaching initiatives in states throughout the nation to introduce teaching on the fundamentals of Islam) and let me ask, why is it acceptable to teach about Islam in public schools, but even the most peripheral mention of Christianity has to be expunged? Apparently even the tunes to Christmas carols are unconstitutional, but bringing in the Council on Islamic Education (another Saudi Funded group btw) to teach Islam using their own workbooks is to be encouraged? MT, surely you can see a hopeless double standard in this approach. How else could you explain it except that - institutionally speaking - one religion is despised and the others are honored?

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« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2005, 05:09:07 PM »
If Islam were being taught instead of be 'taught about' I would agree. I see nothing wrong with teaching children the history and significance to a particular religion of Easter, or Ramadan or Chanuka or whatever.

The problem arises when religion becomes the message instead of a subject of study.

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« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2005, 06:12:07 PM »
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You just posted 6 links that either go nowhere or say nothing..






Odd. Every one of those links works perfectly for me
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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2005, 06:25:10 PM »
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If Islam were being taught instead of be 'taught about' I would agree. I see nothing wrong with teaching children the history and significance to a particular religion of Easter, or Ramadan or Chanuka or whatever.

The problem arises when religion becomes the message instead of a subject of study.


but I don't see a growing trend of where religion is the message instead of a subject.  I see ALOT of minor things that MIGHT reference religion were a FEW people have nothing better to do and complain.