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Offline Wolf14

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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2005, 07:46:26 PM »
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Apparently, the Avenger with 1/2 a wing flew quite a distance from Chichi Jima back to its carrier before the tail broke off the the plane crashed into the water.  All on board were apparently rescued.


If I remember correctly from the book "Flyboys" the pilot was the only one who made it back. He told his guys to bail and was about to bail himself when the plane righted itself and started flying correctly. Once back at carrier he was told to make a water landing in which he hit his head pretty good and gave himself a concusion. Tail never broke. The other guys were executed at Chichi Jima.

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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2005, 08:17:18 PM »
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Very possible. The FW-190 with 1/2 a wing flew over 100 miles over water back to base.


Leave it to a Lufftwobble to hijack a Grumman thread with a 190 picture lol

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2005, 08:38:58 PM »
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Very possible.  The FW-190 with 1/2 a wing flew over 100 miles over water back to base.

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Neat.

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2005, 08:51:43 PM »
btw German Duralumin were much stronger than what allies had. (see the 190s)

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2005, 11:08:11 PM »
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Leave it to a Lufftwobble to hijack a Grumman thread with a 190 picture lol


:(

Oh I am sorry.  I thought we were sharing pictures of highly damaged planes that made it back.  Along with the neat stories behind them.

Did not realize it was limited to only one type or company.

Ok in the spirit of things, yes your correct no one else could build them as tough as Grumman!!


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btw German Duralumin were much stronger than what allies had. (see the 190s)


That's really not nice. :p  

I think your talking about this IK3, but we won't bring that up either.  

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OK funs over. ;)

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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2005, 02:14:51 AM »
Where in N-Africa was that 190? Time?
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2005, 07:11:17 AM »
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The book it came from, F6F Hellcat - In Detail and Scale, simply says the photo had "O'Hare's Favorite" written on the back.  It was shot up by another fighter, but its unknown if it was another US or a Japanese plane.



Thanks, I was looking at the picture and the holes look much bigger than if it was some rifle caliber rounds hitting it, more like .50s. Perhaps another US fighter I guess..
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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2005, 08:48:44 AM »
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Where in N-Africa was that 190? Time?


Saturday 02 Jan 1943, III/SKG 10 targeted Bone Harbor.  On the egress over Cap Rosa they encountered Spitfires which managed to get below the fighter cover and attack the bombers (FW-190G's).

During the dogfight, the collision occurred.  The Spitfire spun off into the ocean.

Collision occurred at Cap Rosa and the pilot egressed to Sidi Ahmed.  242 Squadron was the most likely RAF unit for the encounter.

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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2005, 09:38:53 AM »
If you guys like these sort of photos there is an excellent series of
paperback books loaded with similar stuff. the Air Combat Photo History
series.

     One of my favorites is Low Level Attack: The Mediterranean and Europe
They're compiled by John W Lambert, very well done.
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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2005, 06:39:20 PM »
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Thanks, I was looking at the picture and the holes look much bigger than if it was some rifle caliber rounds hitting it, more like .50s. Perhaps another US fighter I guess..


It's hard to say what hit that Hellcat.  I see some holes that may be rifle caliber, maybe some heavy machine gun rounds, and some that may be cannon rounds.  I sure would like to see the other side.  Can't rule out friendly fire as that's apparently what killed Butch O'Hare.