More Anti-Xmas Fun

[FuBaR]

Rodney King.

[storch]

Originally posted by lazs2
freedom is conditional here.

We can hang a man in a red suit in effigy on our front lawn during the xmas holiday but we can't say.... hang slaves in effigy during the martin king hoiliday.   Or... say put a scene on our lawn of a colored person being shot in a watermellon patch by a white farmer.

What exactly is "free speech"?   What exactly is a "hate crime" and what is violence?  when is violence not violence?

lazs

 we have a customer that lives on a large piece of property behind some huge privacy fences and gates within a gated community (yes, double gated) in his obscured driveway entrance he has a pond on the shore of the pond he has some 1940's type statues of black boys fishing with canepoles on the entrance to the house by the stairs leading to the door he has two black coachmen holding lanterns.  he was recently cited by the county for the offensive statuary.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by Eden
Neighbors need to make a display that includes a model of their neighbor's family and depict them in a manner deomstrating how the feel.

Setting up (what I think is digusting) model of Santa being disemboweled is acceptable, because he is a fictitious character or at least has turned into one from debateable history.

Setting up a model of living neighbors being attacked is not protected free speech, and could be considered hate speech.

[lazs2]

How can two displays be viewed so differently... one is considered free speech and the other is "offensive statuary"?   Is santa any more "fictitious" than say the watermellon boy?   is it any less free speech?

some PC guy on here please explain the difference to me.

lazs

[midnight Target]

Tough call laz, unless of course you use common sense.

One display belittles an imaginary being, while the other belittles a real race of people. Seams pretty clear.

[lazs2]

Not really MT...  are you saying there really were colored people stealing watermelons and were shot by white farmers?

I see santas all over the place this time of year... lots of stores have em.  Kids think he is real.

All I see is somebody hanging a fat white guy in a red suit in effigy.  It sure looks like a real person to me.

lazs

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by RightF00T
http://www.local6.com/news/5530801/detail.html

This is getting a bit ridicolous.  I wouldn't want my children to see this kind of display, especially at Christmas time.  I believe people are so discontent with this country right now, they're trying to find any way to express their disgust.  Christmas just happens to be a convenient and timely venue.

"The family's 16-year-old daughter came up with the idea for the display, according to the report. She said she based the scene on a movie, "Silent Night, Deadly Night."  "

The future of Amerika at work.   I really feel sorry for my son and he's only 4.

Karaya

[Shuckins]

The argument could be made that the "theft" of that property was actually a form of "freedom of expression."

Careful Lasz, you gotta remember that the only group that modern Americans can justly stereotype are us inbred, conservative, snaggle-toothed, drunken, wife-beatin', child-abusin', tourist-rapin', gun-n-knife totin', pickup drivin', sheet wearin', tobacca chawin' trailer trash.

We should be ashamed of ourselves.  Don't give up hope on us MT...we'll eventually see the light.

[NUTTZ]

Originally posted by Delirium
Setting up (what I think is digusting) model of Santa being disemboweled is acceptable, because he is a fictitious character or at least has turned into one from debateable history.

Setting up a model of living neighbors being attacked is not protected free speech, and could be considered hate speech.

Your saying Santa is not a real person???

I'm heart broken:(

Mommy make the bad man go away!!!!!!!

NUTTZ

[NUTTZ]

Laz, I was trying to get the same question answered in the other thread about the "hanging Santa".

What I can't understand, is where the line is crossed.... Ok, the family can put up a Santa holding a severed head, thats ok, and is protected by the constitution. But when and were is it a crime? An african american santa? A doll head resembles the president is OK? but not one of the neigbors?

I too am confused...

NUTTZ

Originally posted by lazs2
How can two displays be viewed so differently... one is considered free speech and the other is "offensive statuary"?   Is santa any more "fictitious" than say the watermellon boy?   is it any less free speech?

some PC guy on here please explain the difference to me.

lazs

[NUTTZ]

Well, I fall into 3 of these stereotypes, NOW you's gotta guess which 3;)

NUTTZ

Originally posted by Shuckins
The argument could be made that the "theft" of that property was actually a form of "freedom of expression."

Careful Lasz, you gotta remember that the only group that modern Americans can justly stereotype are us inbred, conservative, snaggle-toothed, drunken, wife-beatin', child-abusin', tourist-rapin', gun-n-knife totin', pickup drivin', sheet wearin', tobacca chawin' trailer trash.

We should be ashamed of ourselves.  Don't give up hope on us MT...we'll eventually see the light.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by WMLute

Where did you find those? I've been looking for those for a while now.
Kelly/Culero sent them to me years ago. I'm not sure, but I think there
are more of them than you posted.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Tough call laz, unless of course you use common sense.

One display belittles an imaginary being, while the other belittles a real race of people. Seams pretty clear.

Since when is free speech limited to what is right, proper, or good?

Free speech is free to all from the ACLU to the Klan.

Well at least until liberals got hate speech and hate crime laws passed.

Guess free speech is only free when it's nice, or only offensive to non minorities.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Where did you find those? I've been looking for those for a while now.
Kelly/Culero sent them to me years ago. I'm not sure, but I think there
are more of them than you posted.

just in time for Xmas the Complet Calvin and Hobbes collection is out ($105.00 US)

I have been reading C/H for 20yrs ish now.  

Don't 'member what trite bbs I picked those up at (could prob. do prop. on the pics and find it) but I go HERE for my daily fix.