Boycott US Companies that Out-source to India

[lada]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
The electrician that put in the wire for my RV garage lives in a 5000 sq. ft. house on the lake, valued at 1.5 million.

and his wife ? whats her job ?

hey Eagler whats wrong with manual work ?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by lada
and his wife ? whats her job ?

hey Eagler whats wrong with manual work ?

not a thing, I worked service for 20 years averaging 55hr weeks -- my best was over 6 weeks straight with +10 hrs days,  without a day off .. it was an active lightning season..
 ... very glad I do not have to do it now in my mid 40's

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Eagler
yep, turning into a service industry nation ... using ones back instead of ones brain

local 103, 6 years of school at night while you work on the job before you get your license. All those jobs I listed require a brain and lots of training, you don't step out of highschool and wire a new hospital

[Hangtime]

to the service guys that'll overcharge the corporate ballsac licking Rips of this nation just 'on principal', I salute you!

There is no onus at all, in fact quite the contrary; for any man that takes on a trade, union or otherwize, masters it and strikes out under his own banner to make a place for himself and his family.

The last Americans.

[*NDM*JohnnyX]

My friends in high school scoffed when I chose to attend vocational programs (Auto Body Repair) instead of persuing a University degree. I went so far as to not even consider taking my SAT. I believe I'm quite intelligent enough to have gone into just about any field and earn my degree, from just about any University... Penn State University being just one of many that phoned me and sent literature in hopes to lure me to their programs.

These same condescending friends are working about the same jobs they were in high school, only now they have thousands upon thousands of dollars of student loan debt, and nothing but a useless piece of paper to show for it. Meanwhile, I'm making a comfortable living doing a job many consider to be the home of rednecks and hicks. So little my generation knows, and it's taking a toll on them. I'll always have a job so long as people use vehicles to travel. Even if oil runs out, and we switch to alternate fuels, people will still wreck their cars and I'll still be needed to repair them.

Outsourcing is not a concern of mine on a personal level, but it is for my nation, and that bothers me quite a bit. This country needs to realize that the blue collar workers are the ones that keep the country moving, and that not everyone can work in the IT business.

If you read this and you are under the age of 35, I strongly suggest taking a form of manual labor class such as plumbing or carpentry. These are invaluable skills to have, and it gives you white collar people a skill to fall back on. It will also help you save money in your personal life, because you won't have to pay us "overpaid" workers the wages we deserve to get.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by *NDM*JohnnyX
My friends in high school scoffed when I chose to attend vocational programs (Auto Body Repair) instead of persuing a University degree. I went so far as to not even consider taking my SAT. I believe I'm quite intelligent enough to have gone into just about any field and earn my degree, from just about any University... Penn State University being just one of many that phoned me and sent literature in hopes to lure me to their programs.

These same condescending friends are working about the same jobs they were in high school, only now they have thousands upon thousands of dollars of student loan debt, and nothing but a useless piece of paper to show for it. Meanwhile, I'm making a comfortable living doing a job many consider to be the home of rednecks and hicks. So little my generation knows, and it's taking a toll on them. I'll always have a job so long as people use vehicles to travel. Even if oil runs out, and we switch to alternate fuels, people will still wreck their cars and I'll still be needed to repair them.

Outsourcing is not a concern of mine on a personal level, but it is for my nation, and that bothers me quite a bit. This country needs to realize that the blue collar workers are the ones that keep the country moving, and that not everyone can work in the IT business.

If you read this and you are under the age of 35, I strongly suggest taking a form of manual labor class such as plumbing or carpentry. These are invaluable skills to have, and it gives you white collar people a skill to fall back on. It will also help you save money in your personal life, because you won't have to pay us "overpaid" workers the wages we deserve to get.

Great post, Johnny - and kudos to you for making the choices you did.

I know this thread is about America, but you might find this interesting. One of the things that's wrong with Britain right now is the current Labour government refuses to allow selection by merit, and actively discourages any form of competitive activity. Back in the 1960s, we all took an exam at age 11 known as the 11-plus. Those who passed were deemed to be suitable for life in academia and were sent to state grammar schools. Those who did not pass (I think it's inappropriate to use the F-word) went to a type of school known as a secondary modern. There they were freed from a sizeable proportion of desk work, which they obviously found distressing, and could learn skills such as carpentry, car mechanics, bricklaying - all the things Johnny mentioned. I must admit to being a little jealous when I heard what some of my SM friends were getting up to.

The thing is that not everyone is suited to doing university degrees and, as Johnny points out, we'll always need people like plumbers, electricians. And that's why they can be so difficult to find these days - they're all being railroaded into doing college degrees.

I say that govt. should quit trying to social engineer us. Stop forcing people to  stay in academia if they're clearly not suited to it, and let them develop skills in what they're good at.

[Hangtime]

learn MANY skills, Johnny. Specialization is for Insects.

A man should know how to lay pipe, shingle a roof, dig and pour a foundation, frame a house, change a water pump, make a quality table, install basic wiring, repair a toaster, cook a decent meal, fix a washing machine and clean a bathroom, change a diaper and stitch up a flesh wound...

And he should have a .308 or better battle rifle and be able to put 20 rounds through a 10" bull at 200 yards with open sights in under 2 minutes EVERY time.

Men should be MEN.. sheep, women and democrats should be nervous in their presence.

Today's kids can't even change a flat tire.. now why is that?

[*NDM*JohnnyX]

I can't speak for anyone but myself. My friends and I grew up in the woods, first with guns made of tree branches, then my trusty Crossman 760, and finally today I own 6 firearms, and am looking at a MAK-90 one of those friends is selling. He has 4, plus other hunting rifles. I learned basic home repair from my father, enough to fix the toilet, or clean out the chimney. All that firewood splitting did me good.

I think the biggest problem with my generation is the fact that the generation before mine can't keep a marriage together. Too many young men my age lack a  "man of the house". Sure, my father spent long hours at work, and likes to go to a bar now and again, but we do spend time together at our local dirt speedway, or occasionally hunting, although I've somewhat lost interest in the latter.

Another reason I'm single....I don't want to have a child and be involved with a woman I can't stand just for the sake of the kid. It's not right for the kid, and selfish as it may seem, it's not right for me. And the "use protection" line is a joke, we all know accidents can happen.

Kids being coddled by those that came before us, and kids from broken homes are why my generation struggles mainly I believe. It's why I took offense in the other thread, the biggest reason why my generation are "slackers" is not our fault, however, it's the fault of the generation calling us such names.

I take personal responsibilty for my own actions, and I think I've turned out ok because of the beliefs instilled in me by two loving parents who let me eat dirt and jump out of trees, meaning, I was free to make my own mistakes, deal with the ramifications, and learn from them, without some government program created by a 55 year old politician telling me the way to handle it.

[wrag]

Originally posted by *NDM*JohnnyX
I can't speak for anyone but myself. My friends and I grew up in the woods, first with guns made of tree branches, then my trusty Crossman 760, and finally today I own 6 firearms, and am looking at a MAK-90 one of those friends is selling. He has 4, plus other hunting rifles. I learned basic home repair from my father, enough to fix the toilet, or clean out the chimney. All that firewood splitting did me good.

I think the biggest problem with my generation is the fact that the generation before mine can't keep a marriage together. Too many young men my age lack a  "man of the house". Sure, my father spent long hours at work, and likes to go to a bar now and again, but we do spend time together at our local dirt speedway, or occasionally hunting, although I've somewhat lost interest in the latter.

Another reason I'm single....I don't want to have a child and be involved with a woman I can't stand just for the sake of the kid. It's not right for the kid, and selfish as it may seem, it's not right for me. And the "use protection" line is a joke, we all know accidents can happen.

Kids being coddled by those that came before us, and kids from broken homes are why my generation struggles mainly I believe. It's why I took offense in the other thread, the biggest reason why my generation are "slackers" is not our fault, however, it's the fault of the generation calling us such names.

I take personal responsibilty for my own actions, and I think I've turned out ok because of the beliefs instilled in me by two loving parents who let me eat dirt and jump out of trees, meaning, I was free to make my own mistakes, deal with the ramifications, and learn from them, without some government program created by a 55 year old politician telling me the way to handle it.

Hmmm...........

Sir you may have a point.

In fact I find myself in agreement with some, if not much, of what you say.

The NO FAULT divorce created some real problems for many.  They don't have to worry about compatability.  Or trying to make things work.

The VAWA act totaly ignores the fact that many females will start a fight by physically attacking their male.  Got punched square in the nose by my last ex.  She had/has allot of baggage from her previous relationships.  Took it out on me, and then she swore up and down it was my fault.  She and I parted the day she hit my mother.  My mother was using a walker to get around at the time.  She tried to come back at least 3 different times.  NOPE!

Getting hitched nowadays can turn into pure HELL for the male.  Don't know why the men keep doing it, but they do.   The children suffer, the men suffer, and to a degree so do the women.  The current system is pretty unfair to many males, many of the children, and in an odd way many of the women.

So why subject yourself to it?  Why submit yourself to the abuse?  SEX?

[Hangtime]

Johnny, I was with yah right up to here:

It's why I took offense in the other thread, the biggest reason why my generation are "slackers" is not our fault, however, it's the fault of the generation calling us such names.

Thats horsepucky. Blaming anybody else for their actions, non-performance, or substandard work ethos just continues the blame game BS of dodging responsibility. It's YOUR watch now TOO.. and your just as responsible as I am to insure that your local surroundings are in keeping with your personal morals regarding such behavior. See somebody try to dodge responsibility for being a pinhead slacker?? Nail him for it right then and there. The more they get away with it, the longer they'll hide behind it.

No dodging the blame.. we all share it, diffrence is, who's owning up to it, and then doing something to change it. THATS how we end it... make 'em face the music and if they don't like the tune, then they can change the damn record.

[*NDM*JohnnyX]

I take personal responsibilty for my own actions, and I think I've turned out ok because of the beliefs instilled in me by two loving parents who let me eat dirt and jump out of trees, meaning, I was free to make my own mistakes, deal with the ramifications, and learn from them, without some government program created by a 55 year old politician telling me the way to handle it.

I can't speak for others my age, but I DO take responsibility for what I do.

[Rolex]

Hang... you should use quotes and give the author credit so others - who may not know who wrote that - can appreciate his work. You can't call someone a scab, then borrow such great lines without giving credit.

[Sparks]

This has all been discussed before but I'll repeat myself anyway. Global outsourcing is cutting our own long term throats. Oh for BigGun and his investors it's great for now but basically it's slave labour by the back door.

Take US Car manufacturers. How long can they continue to lose billions of $$ per quarter. If they can't adapt, they will become extinct and all those people working for them. There number one problem is labor unions, being force to pay high wages which make products non-competitive. In the long run, that can not persist.

High comparitive wages........ and the reason we have high comparitive wages ?? Well over the last hundred years or so we have developed societies where we consider a certain standard of living a minimum acceptable level. That standard of living costs money. In the countries where we outsource to these standards do not exist - we would find the poverty and infrastructure levels intolerable in our western countries but our corporate leaders are happy to turn a blind eye to the working and living conditions in China and India because it is not their responsibilty. Moral free profits ...
If we accept this global view then ALL of us in the west had better wake up to a major shift down in our standard of living if we wish to stay competitive.  Is this the legacy you want to leave your kids Rip ??
Airbus just sold 120 new aircraft to China and what else went with it ?? Oh yes - agreement to build the A320 production line in China ... in a few years a large chunk of high skilled jobs are going to be lost.
It's rosy for you now Rip and you may consider that your "pro-activeness" has saved you but I believe you have just been lucky in location and timing. I have seen many guys who have taken the same approach of upskilling and traing still get replaced and laid off. Your kids may not be so fortunate.
Go to India and live the life of a degree qualified software engineer in Mumbai for a few months and come back and tell me thats the standard of living you want for your kids in 10 or 15 years.

Sparks

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Rolex
Hang... you should use quotes and give the author credit so others - who may not know who wrote that - can appreciate his work. You can't call someone a scab, then borrow such great lines without giving credit.

I doubt I've had an original thought my entire life.

As for quotes.. I'm pretty sure the 'Specialization is for Insects' line was Heinlein's; and he no doubt borrowed it himself, since my granddad was fond of the same line and he never read a line of science fiction in his entire life. The rest I no doubt read somewhere else and it made an impression, but I've no clue as to the original author(s). Being a lazy chit, if I coulda quoted it off hand from another source I woulda insteada mis-typing or mangling it from memory.

Such as it is.

[Midnight]

To the Investors, a question... Give an honest answer.

ABC Company makes a product that is very useful and sells well. For each unit sold, ABC makes a 15% net profit. A company overseas says they can make the same item with almost identical quality, but much cheaper and will be able to provide a net profit of 20%.

The investors know that if they switch to the overseas company to manufacturer the product, 1000 American workers will loose their jobs and the overseas company will pay very low wages to their workers, not to mention the manufacturing plant will put out at least 30% more pollutants and dump thier toxic wastes directly into the ground near a water supply for the local village where the workers live in small apartments and huts.

As an investor, would you keep the manufacturing in America, or move it overseas?