Did 8th A.A.F. use late P-47s (D-30/40) and 38L ?

[Bruno]

Originally posted by Krusty
No they won't put it in TOD. It doesn't belong. From what I understand it was modeled because Pyro or somebody had been planning/thinking about including it for some time, so when the 47s were redone, a new one was added "for fun". Also consider we got the Ki84 and the T34, neither of which will be used in TOD but were some of the first to be added.


Noooooo.... I still think we won't see Ta152 (the flight model is so fubared and it wasn't updated with the 190s) and we won't see the 262 (most don't even know how to fly it). I think we'll see a more mainstream p51s vs 109s type of deal.

You don't know anything about ToD or the Ta-152 flight model. In ToD pilots will be able to fly 'upgraded aircraft'. ToD isn't any more historical then any other aspect of AH. The only aircraft that qualify as 'upgraded' aircraft are the late war planes like the 152, P-47N, 262 etc...

HT never said that 'if this aircraft is done to AH standards it won't been in ToD'...

The first Tour will run from '43 till the end, that's May 8 '45. The tour will run in a 30 day tour, the last few days being the the very latest. As the tour runs the later aircraft will cycle in. Those with better scores or points will get the better aircraft. There's no reason to exclude the 152 or 262 or P-47N. ToD is not 'real' or 100% 'historical' and there needs to be a carrot for those who excel through out the tour. You can read all this in the past ToD threads going back over 4 years.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Squire
Would disagree with the P-38L.

Since there is little difference in game terms between a P-38J-25 late model and a P-38L-5.

They would not be seen with the 8th AF though, only in so far as ToD would represent the 9th AF machines @6-44 to wars end, in a tac role.

P-38J-25s were issued to several 8th AF Groups. They didn't appear in great numbers (maybe 35 made it to the 8th before they were transferred to the 9th AF), but they did fly combat sorties.

I also think we are overlooking the 15th AF. They did everything the 8th did, but flew from Italy. The bulk of the media people were in Britain, so the 15th didn't get anywhere near the press the 8th received. P-38s made up fully half of the 15th's Fighter Groups and they had plenty of L models during the last 9 months of the war.

What we need for either theater for the late 1943 thru early 1944 period is the P-38H. Graphically, the P-38G looks identical, so that needs nothing but skins. The performance and flight model would the very much the same as the P-38J, but with MAP limits lowered a bit when above 22,000 feet (inefficient intercoolers, not designed for 1,600 hp engines, which would lead to detonation risk at high power settings up high). However, I doubt we will see this version anytime soon.

My regards,

Widewing

[ShortyDoowap]

I understand some P-47Ns were sent to Great Britain for assignment to the 56th FG, but were still in depots when the Germans surrendered, never having been delivered to the Group.

[Squire]

Yes there is the 15th AF but it was my understanding that ToD was going to be England > Continent. At least for the 1st one.

[Bruno]

I also think we are overlooking the 15th AF. They did everything the 8th did, but flew from Italy.

The size and scale of the map will most likely exclude the 15th AF (Italy). Maybe air starts for  the allies over Southern Germany..?

I guess we can hope but in reality even a 512 x 512 map (current largest map size in AH) will be small to get in Most of NWE all the way to Berlin.

I wonder if thye would go up to a 1024 x 1024 map (thats 4 x bigger then the 512s) for ToD maps. The number of objects on a map that size may make a 1024 x 1024 impossible