Author Topic: Bad Language (Read 4489 times)

fartwinkle · « **Reply #120 on:** December 28, 2005, 03:10:31 PM »

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Originally posted by RedTop
Fartwhatever.......

I'll save ya some time.....From reading your replies , your a blame it on the other person type. So , I'll just leave it to you. Your shades acct. here gives me no idea who you are in game otherwise I'd squelch ya there to.

You have a nice day. And remember , there are more people (REAL ONES TO) on the other end of your obvious sarcastic mouth.

I'll permasquelch ya here to I guess.

Have a nice life Sir

OH:O I'm hurt:rofl

fartwinkle · « **Reply #121 on:** December 28, 2005, 03:15:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
I struck a nerve.

I was speaking in terms of real life. Somethign this game, is not. I guess you failed to see the connections or lack thereof, I was making.

So your saying its only ok in real life then?

Bottom line, there is no call for some tard abusing range vox via cursing or otherwise offencive remarks. You can go and make excuses for these idiots all you want farwinkle, both you and the abusers will always be in the wrong.

Botton line, we need to be able to squelch range vox.

Strangly enough I agree with you on this

Bottom line, HT did away with Ch1 for all of the reasons this thread exsists.

Bottom line, Range vox is no different than Ch1.

The ability to turn range vox on or off would give me a choice to hear 20 spawn camping dweebs screaming about a single panzer that is spawning, or 6GUNS screaming holly hell to someone about not giving him a Check 6, or 100 BoPs screaming "KILL THE TOWN"... Or I can turn it off and not hear this crap that means nothing to me.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #122 on:** December 28, 2005, 04:26:28 PM »

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Finnish trailer trash in the making. Just because you suck as a parent doesn't mean all of us do. Yes, he has no hope.... are you happy now?

Heh we don't have trailer parks down here. And the free university level education system of Finland pretty much guarantees that my kid will receive equal or better education than yours (depending how much money you can fork for your kids education after AH bills

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If you guys really think that harsh language is dangerous I'm left without words, really. The only thing that will happen (as it did with me) is that the child will learn the double standard of the parents if you try to lie to the kid and hide certain aspects of everyday life. Your kid will be exposed to a huge culture shock called 'the real world' when he steps out of the filtered boundaries of home. It's far better to teach the kid values so he understands cursing is rude. Which is why we were laughing with my kid at the 'stupid' squadmates who used that profane language.

How long do you think it will take your kid to face outside world? A year, two years? You plan to hire a private teacher to your kid to stop him from hearing bad words at school intervals? You plan to forbid your child from any sports activity and public situations where bad language can be heard. I bet you even plan to talk to him about sex education AFTER he brings his 14-year old girlfriend home knocked up. What are you, Ned Flanders? LOL.

wrag · « **Reply #123 on:** December 29, 2005, 12:29:28 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Heh we don't have trailer parks down here. And the free university level education system of Finland pretty much guarantees that my kid will receive equal or better education than yours (depending how much money you can fork for your kids education after AH bills ).

If you guys really think that harsh language is dangerous I'm left without words, really. The only thing that will happen (as it did with me) is that the child will learn the double standard of the parents if you try to lie to the kid and hide certain aspects of everyday life. Your kid will be exposed to a huge culture shock called 'the real world' when he steps out of the filtered boundaries of home. It's far better to teach the kid values so he understands cursing is rude. Which is why we were laughing with my kid at the 'stupid' squadmates who used that profane language.

How long do you think it will take your kid to face outside world? A year, two years? You plan to hire a private teacher to your kid to stop him from hearing bad words at school intervals? You plan to forbid your child from any sports activity and public situations where bad language can be heard. I bet you even plan to talk to him about sex education AFTER he brings his 14-year old girlfriend home knocked up. What are you, Ned Flanders? LOL.

IMHO We are not talking about a double standard so much as a WHEN something is appropriate? As you say it's RUDE. And IMHO unnecessary on local VOX!

My children, when they were very young, knew that people used such words. Over time they learned when such words were useable and when they were not. The concept was not really that difficult for them to understand. However not everyone use's that approach. Some do try to HIDE things for awhile from their children. IMHO other have NO RIGHT to try and change that. To me that is one of the basic concepts behind individual freedom and liberty. I may not agree with you but if I am to be free you must also be free. Should we cross that line we open the way for others to cross that line with us.

My squadies often say words on squad channel. I have NO PROBLEMS with that. When my 9 year old GrandDaughter is about I turn off the speakers and I wear headphones. When she gets a little older say 12 or 13 I will probably stop wearing the headphones so much when she is around. Is she aware that such words exist? I'm very sure she is. Spewing that stuff out on local vox is IMHO inappropriate. A little consideration for others is involved. So IMHO what we are talking about is attitude........... how we gonna act hmmm?????

As to the actual words. They don't bother me at all. Use em from time to time myself.

I've even heard a few streams of such words put together in such a manner that many reacted with what could be considered admiration of the speaker.

I sometimes think they actually had some kinda verbal training for some ot those Drill Instructors, hey I'm an Ex-Marine here

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #124 on:** December 29, 2005, 03:01:12 PM »

Wrag it's a fact anyway that our cultures are very different on certain aspects. You back in States tend to be WAY more conservative in general.

BigGun · « **Reply #125 on:** December 29, 2005, 03:34:28 PM »

here is what skuzzy of HTC had to say about bad language being used in AH:

"There is no reason or excuse for the use of derogatory, foul, or abusive language. None.
It is disruptive and there is nothing positive it will accomplish.

Quite the opposite, all it generates is more anger, frustration, contempt, and causes others that were on the edge to go over.

There is no reason children should not be able to sit with thier parents and watch this game be played. If you feel it is inappropriate, then I would say to you, you are inappropriate. You cannot surmise a situation where using profanity or other abusive language is either appropriate or positive."

Mugzeee · « **Reply #126 on:** December 29, 2005, 04:23:45 PM »

That seems straight forward to me, Big Gun

PuckHead · « **Reply #127 on:** December 29, 2005, 05:06:58 PM »

Amen to Skuzzy!

101ABN · « **Reply #128 on:** December 31, 2005, 08:28:06 AM »

wow, talk about beating the dead horse... reguardless if one has headphones or not... if they are 10 bucks or free.... bottom line up front, grow up... yea, everyone slips with the occasional mother F'er.. im to blame on that one too, but when you have to shoot off at the mouth to the guy who shot you down, or ran from you thats just retarded.. i can only imagine how some of the internet toughguys are when watching their favorite team lose on TV.

what can you do... some say to knock if off and others defend it...

fartwinkle · « **Reply #129 on:** December 31, 2005, 10:44:38 AM »

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Originally posted by 101ABN
wow, talk about beating the dead horse... reguardless if one has headphones or not... if they are 10 bucks or free.... bottom line up front, grow up... yea, everyone slips with the occasional mother F'er.. im to blame on that one too, but when you have to shoot off at the mouth to the guy who shot you down, or ran from you thats just retarded.. i can only imagine how some of the internet toughguys are when watching their favorite team lose on TV.

what can you do... some say to knock if off and others defend it...

Not defending it at all.
I am saying that it has been going on since man began to speak and it will continue to go on.

All anyone can do is to take precautions to protect there kids or who ever from hearing it ie : headphones.
It is the only garranty you have untill HTC can install a voice filter or the like.

In a perfect world there would be no curssing but we dont live in that world
so Its up to the individual to protect there kids.

As sure as the sun will rise there will allways be somoene who swears you cant change that none of us can.

The best thing to do is to use the tools given you by HTC and that is to report the offender.

thndregg · « **Reply #130 on:** January 01, 2006, 01:18:14 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle

All anyone can do is to take precautions to protect there kids or who ever from hearing it ie : headphones.

My 6 year old son is currently flying WITH THE HEADPHONES ON. There is not an age limitation specified in this game. He has adimately expressed a desire to learn the game, and I am encouraging it, both for the "fun" factor, and as a "living" history lesson about WW2. Until such time as HTC changes the rules to prevent children from playing, he will continue to play.

Hap · « **Reply #131 on:** January 01, 2006, 02:53:51 PM »

foul language's benefit is that it identifies foul people. been there done it myself. i was wrong when i did. the extremes we go to justify the unjustifiable attests that humans are becoming worse rather than better.

hap

p.s. there are those, however, who give a soul hope.

Bodhi · « **Reply #132 on:** January 01, 2006, 05:08:54 PM »

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Originally posted by wrag
"They're only words you know."

blah blah blah

People have to pay huge amounts of money to other people sometimes because of those silly "They're only words you know." things they say!

Been wondering??????? If you take a picture of a statement in the buffer, like someone calling someone a pedaphile, could you sue the person the statment is attributed to come from? Would that come under Slander? Or Libel?

blah blah blah

Usually some kid using the parents rig. Laughing and saying those "They're only words you know." things. And then the FCC would show up at the door, take ALL the equipment, and leave a note for a BIG fine. Kid usually stopped laughin right then.

Never gonna see lawsuits won over this or any other language between players in game. Libel or Slander has to prove harm caused to person. Calling an annoymous name in game something or other from another annoymous name is not hurting that player's person, or causing him harm, other than a bruised ego. Last check in court, they do not pay for that. But hey, keep on dreaming, you litigous types are gonna do your best to get something for nothing all the time.

Here, just for you.....

You're a ghey pedofile.

Now sue me.

WMLute · « **Reply #133 on:** January 01, 2006, 09:04:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
Never gonna see lawsuits won over this or any other language between players in game. Libel or Slander has to prove harm caused to person. Calling an annoymous name in game something or other from another annoymous name is not hurting that player's person, or causing him harm, other than a bruised ego. Last check in court, they do not pay for that. But hey, keep on dreaming, you litigous types are gonna do your best to get something for nothing all the time.

Here, just for you.....

You're a ghey pedofile.

Now sue me.

WAY out of line there Bohdi.
Wrag is good people.
One of the classiest people I have met in the game and I am honored and privileged to count wrag as a friend.
Not sure what point you are trying to prove other than you could use a lesson or three on manners.
"it's just a game"
"it's just an internet bbs"
"it's just a stranger"
"it's just some...." where does it end?
Those are not excuses, they are justifications.
People that justify things KNOW deep down they are doing something wrong, hence the justification.
Let's take ownership for our behaviour shall we?
Wrag made an excellent point, and we SHOULD try to clean up our behaviour both on the bbs, and in the game. That is a good thing. That is a positive thing. That is an honorable thing.
Tossing out a personal attack for no other reason than to ask someone to sue you is childish, and crass.

Come on Bohdi, ya' know better.

Bodhi · « **Reply #134 on:** January 01, 2006, 10:01:08 PM »

Lute,

I am not trying to prove any other point other than the mere suggestion of lawsuits over names in game is assinine at the least, and pure idiotic social deviancy at it's worst.

I do not dislike Wrag (he usually has good points) or any one for that matter in game or here. I think a lot are quite strange and some even are a bit in need of help, but I am sure quite a few feel the same way about me, so touche...

As for language in game:

is it out of control? Naaawwww.

is it sometimes over the top? Yep.

do some people choose to be stupid and vent there frustration in a poor vulgar manner (myself included at times)? Yes.

Should there be a way to mute range? Absolfreakinglutely!

Anyways Lute, Wrag's point of responsiblity over language was ok, but the constant referenceing lawsuits was rediculous, over the top, and even more poor form than my reply. If it hurts you or he that much, I apologise then, I guess. But, keep the lawyers out of online gaming, they are already on the verge of destroying almost every single vestige of leisure time we have, why allow it here.