Discussion, Prisons, or something new?

[Ghosth]

Anyone figured out lately what it costs to keep someone locked up for a year?

I think its time for a change in regard to punishment.

Instead, I think we should be looking at banishment. Pick a spot, any spot. Make it so you can put poeple in, but they can't get out. Make it foolproof, make it hard, make it desolate.  Could be an island, or the middle of the Nevada Desert, or even the badlands of North Dakota.

Everyone gets 1 warning, (prison time)

All repeat offenders lose all rights, including citizenship, and get put into the spot.
Shaved, stripped, tattoo'd, and booted over the fence to root hawg or die.
Grow your own food, find your own water or die. Their life would be in their own hands.

They would no longer be a part of society, they would no longer be a drain on our resources. They've proved they can't be trusted, so get rid of them.

So how could we make this work?
Or is it impossible?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

"No Escape."
-SW

[Ping]

No Go.   Because our fricken government will feel sorry for them and take them in.
I say chinese for profit labour camps are the answer.

[storch]

the gulag? escape from new york? papillon?  what are you proposing exactly? who gets to play "snake" plisskin? does that person get to fondle goldie hawn in the next few films?

[lazs2]

I would think that since those people have more will than the people who put em there that eventually they would join together and kick butt on the women that didn't have the guts to take care of the problem in the first place.

lazs

[BlueJ1]

From what Ive seen prisoners have better lives then most homeless in our country.

Should pull out of Iraq and empty our prison population into it.

[Airscrew]

Well lets see,  we could try deporting them all to Austrailia,..  hmmm think someone tried that already:huh

I know, how bout we use the super secret time machine at Area 51 and send all the criminals back about 65 million years:aok

Or just have the death penalty for all felonys and severe beatings for misdemanors  

[Ghosth]

Laz,
What difference does will make if they only have sticks & stones?

Besides, you really think that many social misfits could seriously work together for a common goal without sabotageing themselves???

Bluej, except for the oil reserves in that country, good idea. Maybe bottle em up in the north, let em fight with the Kurd's for sheep scraps.

Airscrew, ok australia is a good example.

England empty's its prisons to australlia. Only real costs are shipping & some guards. How many of those orginal deportee's ever came back to england & caused problems? (Very very few if any)

How many caused serious problems for Australlia? The real troublemakers were either shot, ran away to live in the bush, or served on the equivilent of a chain gang where they could cause no more problems.

Their descendants grew up to be for the most part honest, trustworthy solid people.

How was this a failure?

[Airscrew]

Never said Austrailia was a failure...but that was a solution used over a hundred years ago.   No Human Rights Committees to wail about the inhumanity of it 100 years ago.   The Aborigines had no central government to lodge a complaint against England.  
Where are you going to find a place today that has no voice to protest you dumping human garbage?  Maybe you'll get lucky and find a large enough Uninhabited island in the pacific, but doubtful, and if you did happen to find that island all sorts of enviromental groups would raise hell because you are suggesting despoiling and displacing thousands of indigeous wildlife and plant life upsetting a delicate eco system.    
Anywhere else and you still have build a wall around it and guard it.   Or send them to Mars

[expat]

sod that!!!
Get em out doing all the worst jobs in the word ie...cleaning sewers n stuff...no saftey geer just jump right on in.....i think that might make some of them think again about a life of crime......
The way i see it if they are repeat offenders or say murderers , then make em suffer for a loooooooong time , but make that suffering  benifit the  rest of us ......
Mind u for kiddie fiddlers....then there is no cure but the bullet

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Ghosth

What difference does will make if they only have sticks & stones?

With the right numbers , the sticks and stones thing wouldn`t last long.

Besides, you really think that many social misfits could seriously work together for a common goal without sabotageing themselves???

A lot of what you call "social misfits" have their act together much more than some of the folks in government that call the shots, make and attempt to enforce the law.
To start with, concerning prisoners, a large portion of those behind bars are there, at the moment, for laws that should never have existed in the first place.
A good start would be to get rid of the nanny law  makers and the nanny laws, then go from there if your concern is cost.
Arm the total society without the whining and crying panzies and the "help the criminal" laws and a lot of "true" crime would eliminate itself. As long as the door is opned and life made easier for the career criminal it will only get worse than it is now.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I repeat : No Escape
-SW