One Hero, One Traitor

[eagl]

Hello all,

This is a link to a semi-long article trying to make sense of how the US could produce two people on opposite ends of the moral compass.  Agree or not, it's very thought provoking.  If the link goes away, email me and I can send you the text of the article.

 http://www.andrewsullivan.com/text/main_articletext1.html?print

[easymo]

Any satisfaction I might have felt, by a shift to the right, is totally destroyed by what it cost us to get there.

  Reading that.  All I can think about is what a good man we lost, to those cockroaches.

[Sandman]

Hmmm... Has Walker actually been indicted yet?

[Gunthr]

I agree. Interesting article about the contrast between these two young men, and what led them there. There's a huge lesson for any parent who doubts that lines need to be drawn for kids.

[easymo]

I'm in no hurry to see walker processed.  He is a good source of intel.  Its not the stuff he thinks he knows.  Thats just braggin, for the most part.  Its the stuff he does not realize he knows.  A can of beans, he saw, might tell S2 where it came from.  That might lead to where the money came from to buy the beans.  Frankly they can stick him in a box, and use him as long as they like, as far as i'm concerned

  His passport, and everyone else, states that if he joins a foreign army.  He loses his citizenship.  His right to a speedy trial went bye bye when he joined the tailiban.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yep that article perfectly defines my idea of a "leftist."

[Animal]

Nicely written article, too bad its plain black and white.


And that Walker; poor squeak should just be left in jail. He didnt join the Taliban after the attacks anyways. He probably didnt even know that was going to happen, poor low ranked sob. In fact when he joined the Taliban they were not our enemy. In fact, he grew watching films of RAMBO helping these bastards.

Let him sit in jail and rot his mind by thinking all that crap, and then maturity kicks in.

[miko2d]

Originally posted by easymo:
A can of beans, he saw, might tell S2 where it came from.

 Oh yeah, when there was a war professionally prosecuted against USA for the last decade - with open declarations, lot of money involved and occasional blowing up of US people and property in America and abroad - somehow they missed that.
 Now you expect miracles of forensics from them...

 Also, just becasue the area where JWL came from is associated with visibility (not a majority) of left, why do you keep calling him leftist?
 His views are much closer to fundamental right then left. Just check his views about religion, western commercialism, women, tolerance, gays, etc? He is a freakng right-wing extremist, not leftist.
 I am no lover of left, but it if we start a witchhunt, at least do that for the reasons that left are guilty of.

 Also, for CIA operatives it was very risky to loudly talk in front of the captives implying that some terrible fate avaited them - in order to morally break them.
 You have taliban people who were committed to die and at the last moment were afraid to, so they surrendered. They were probably ashamed and in deep conflict. Once they heard that kind of talk of imminent death or worse, deciding to revolt was the only thing left to them - at least that way they would go down fighting.

 miko

[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: miko2d ]