Author Topic: My (F4U) wish for the new year (Read 1228 times)

Grits · « **Reply #15 on:** December 29, 2005, 07:15:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
Better skin idea: Boyington's Lulu Bell.

If you are talking about this one:

It wont be accepted (nor should it be) as it was for the publicity photo and was never flown by him.

The planes he most often flew (as with most USMC squads at the time 214 did not assign specific aircraft, they flew the first plane they came too that was airworthy, even today USMC pilots are not assigned specific aircraft even though their names are put on them, you fly what maintenance has ready) were BuNo 17744 and 17915 which he was shot down in. None of these planes had any special markings on them except 17883 had "Lucybelle" on the side. The "Lulubelle" on 18086 is wrong and is another clue to it being a staged plane not done by Boyington. This is also a famous picture of Boyington, and shows 17883,

notice how rough and "used" 17883 looks, while 18086 looks like it just rolled off the Vought assembly lines.

These are the BuNo's he flew in the second tour with notes for some planes.

02723 old "Bird Cage" model
17735
17395
17452
17792
17910
17527
17485
17744 4 kills
17883 1 kill the famous #1 picture
17915 3 kills shot down

Saxman · « **Reply #16 on:** December 29, 2005, 07:48:08 PM »

Yeah, I know about that, but it's still a pretty famous set of markings. And while BOYINGTON may not have actually flown that bird, SOMEONE may have.

As a side note, looking at the 883 photo, doesn't it look like the default pilot position in the existing Corsairs (specifically the C/D Hogs which shared the A-hog's general cockpit position/size) is set awfully far back? Either that or the cockpits are a bit oversized?

Grits · « **Reply #17 on:** December 29, 2005, 09:37:32 PM »

Yup, I've always thought the F4U dash and gunsight seemed like it was a mile away.

Saxman · « **Reply #18 on:** December 29, 2005, 10:50:37 PM »

The Corsair's a big bird, but that cockpit's nowhere NEAR as big as in the game. Hopefully that gets fixed when they update the Hog (SOON PLEASE!)

Bodhi · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2005, 10:49:24 AM »

I think we need to revisit all the flight models of the F4u series too.

The F4u does not have good stall characteristics. As a matter of fact, every pilot (including the guys teaching it to me)I have talked to with regards to these characteristics say to avoid the stall at all costs, as it is likely unrecoverable. The aircraft is also placarded to indicate this as well.

Not to jump off subject, but the 51 is the same way, over 2 revolutions in the spin results in a flat rotation that is unrecoverable.

But I do agree with F4uDOA that the performance and features definitely need to be revisited.

Squire · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2005, 06:33:29 PM »

Love the F4U-1A. We must have it.

Saw the one at the Boeing Museum of Flight in Seattle, its a Goodyear made one, and they did a marvelous job on it.

1K3 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2005, 07:09:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
The Corsair's a big bird, but that cockpit's nowhere NEAR as big as in the game. Hopefully that gets fixed when they update the Hog (SOON PLEASE!)

no

The F6F is the biggest USN plane

1K3 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2005, 07:10:06 PM »

time out

Are you guys saying the AH F4U-1 we have is a HYBRID of 1943 F4U-1 and 1944 F4U-1A?

Squire · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2005, 07:26:19 PM »

Ya, its a F4U-1 with the water injection of the F4U-1A.

We should get:

F4U-1 "Birdcage"
F4U-1A
F4U-1D
F4U-4

I would drop the F4U-1C. We don't need it. For the very few that saw action its an anachronism.

Ya, ya, fire away, I am all suited up and I have extended insurance.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2005, 08:05:46 PM »

1K3,

Yes indeed it is.

It has prominate characteristics of the F4U-1 such as the pre-fix harsher stall and the birdcage canopy. It also has the NAVAIR performance of the F4U-1A from 1943 which does include ADI (WEP) but only 2135HP not 2250HP and it also still has the toothpick prop blade design ala the P-47 that also came from the early -1's. Then there is the 1944 varient that matches the charts above that has all of the -1A features and has the blown canopy as well.

The F4U-1D is essentially the same aircraft but it has external stores pylons that are always attached in AH regardless of external loadout. This accounts for 8 to 10MPH depending on altitude. The speed above 15K on the chart I posted shows higher than a -1D without pylons by about 10MPH I assume because the high blower of the supercharger must have been doing very well that day. Most other references you will see are at are not quite that high at 20K but match very well below that alt.

I believe the G10 was a hybrid also and that thing spawned two new 109's so maybe the USN/USMC can get the same?

F4UDOA · « **Reply #25 on:** December 30, 2005, 08:11:53 PM »

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Ya, its a F4U-1 with the water injection of the F4U-1A.

We should get:

F4U-1 "Birdcage"
F4U-1A
F4U-1D
F4U-4

I would drop the F4U-1C. We don't need it. For the very few that saw action its an anachronism.

Ya, ya, fire away, I am all suited up and I have extended insurance

It is a complament to the F4U that in AH with late war monsters like the LA-7, FW190D-9, BF109G14/K-4 etc. that 2 out of the 4 F4U's have to be perked so as not to upset the MA

Squire · « **Reply #26 on:** December 30, 2005, 08:51:16 PM »

Yes, look on the bright side! hehe.

1K3 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 30, 2005, 09:06:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire

I would drop the F4U-1C. We don't need it. For the very few that saw action its an anachronism.

Ya, ya, fire away, I am all suited up and I have extended insurance.

u got my vote

Saxman · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2005, 12:45:57 AM »

I'd say leave her in for the novelty of having the full lineup of 1-Hogs. And then add the radar-equipped -2 to have ALL the early-model Corsairs!

F4UDOA · « **Reply #29 on:** January 03, 2006, 10:34:27 AM »

I know we are not supposed to punt threads but I just wanted to give Pyro a moment to consider the possibilty of an early 1943 -1 and a true 1944 -1A. Just in case you were away for the new year.

Please, please, please:cry It worked for the K-4/G-14.

A binary reply in 1 or 0 would be fine.