Author Topic: Training Arena Flight Model (Read 482 times)

Nuke33 · « **on:** December 28, 2005, 03:43:50 PM »

I was flying around in the TA this afternoon, and noticed that every plane tends to flip on its back in a high G turn. Has anyone else experienced this? The planes are ridiculously hard to handle when trying to train dog fighting.

Something is definately wrong here.

Morpheus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 28, 2005, 03:50:48 PM »

TA have stall limiter on or off by default? I'll bet its on, never know though...

Do you happen to use stall limiter in the MA?

Nuke33 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 28, 2005, 04:59:01 PM »

Stall limiter is on in both arenas, but the problem still exists..

Try it out and see if you experience the same thing..

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #3 on:** December 28, 2005, 05:08:16 PM »

Nuke33 you do know it's a bad idea to have the stall limiter on in MA?

Skilless · « **Reply #4 on:** December 28, 2005, 05:51:08 PM »

I've noticed that the planes in the TA are harder to fly than in the MA. It's always been that way.

Nuke33 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 28, 2005, 06:08:59 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Nuke33 you do know it's a bad idea to have the stall limiter on in MA?

Check my scores and then tell me its a bad idea.. I've always flown with it on

Grits · « **Reply #6 on:** December 28, 2005, 06:16:29 PM »

Regardless your score (yes I did check) stall limiter is still a bad idea. I'll put it to you this way, think of what your score would be if you were not handicapped by the stall limiter?

Nuke33 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2005, 06:24:54 PM »

When I fly with the stall limiter my plane flops over on its back when I pull hard.. I dont see it as a handicap

Grits · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2005, 06:46:11 PM »

It limits your maximum possible Angle of Attack which is very bad. If you are in the same plane as me, and you run into me in the MA co-alt you will lose because I can pull more AoA (and Gs) since I have stall limiter off.

Learn to fly with it off and I can say 100% for sure you will do even better once you get used to it.

Simaril · « **Reply #9 on:** December 28, 2005, 07:54:48 PM »

And I to answer your question ---

In the TA I'm pretty sure the stall limiter is always OFF regardless of your individual settings.

Nuke, about the limiter.....
I am not a gifted, natural pilot by any means. I don't have instinctual deflection ability, I have to work to get ACM concepts, and I'm not fluid in my movements.

I have to work for everything I get.

I had stall limiter on for the first 1.5 years I played. I now regret every minute of it, because it got me in the habit of heavy handed overcontrolling. After turning it off, I flopped, stalled and augered repeatedly -- for a week or so. I gradually learned CONTROL instead of yanking.

Ever since, I find my ACM is better, my energy mangement is better, my ability to set up is better, and my ability to outturn is better. I am precise in movement because I cant rely on the gamey "limiter" to make up for my poor precision.

If you "flip over on your back" all the time with SL off, you'r ebeing hamhanded. Get used to having it off, and you WILL be an even better pilot than you already are, adn far better tahn I will probably ever be.

Go for it -- you wont regret it.

wetrat · « **Reply #10 on:** December 28, 2005, 08:48:47 PM »

Low speed handling is absolutely TERRIBLE in most planes with the stall limiter on... I remember a year or so ago, I installed AH after quite some time off, and didn't think to disable the limiter. After flying for a couple days thinking "WTF why do these planes all suck so much," I remembered about the AH training wheels we all know as the "stall limiter." My 109's sucked a lot (well, a little.. they still suck.) less after I noticed that little gem.

IN conclusion, I consider you a fool if you have any kind of handle on this game and use the stall limiter.

eilif · « **Reply #11 on:** December 28, 2005, 11:33:11 PM »

If all you do is up a dora or temp or some fast bz plane using the stall limeter doesnt make much difference if you dont employ any acm other than rope-a-dopes. If you want to do well in one vs one fights or in situations where you have to stand and fight with a disadvantage using the stall limeter or "turn limeter" you will not be able to fly your plane to limits of its flight envalope and if you want to fly aggresively that makes a big difference in your survival.

Or keep it on by all means:aok

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #12 on:** December 29, 2005, 12:03:38 AM »

I would say most all would rather it be off, but Nuke33 does fly KOTH and he did qualify for the KOTH TOC, he does stall/angles fight, he just does not push his plane beyond the edge of its flight envelope and most times uses a rope from my experience fighting him.

he does use that famous valid tactic alot of people moan about too when he ropes, is the perfect setup for that shot........I didn't say that did I?

I must of missed my meds dosage or something

and, and wetrat er tartew , 109s just simply fly funny

and I agree with Simirils post ( sorry for mispelling if its wrong, going to sleep! )

TC
The Damned

Nuke33 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 29, 2005, 01:45:12 AM »

Well the way I typically fly I don't really need to turn the stall limiter off.. I'm all about positioning so that I don't have to get into the balls to the wall ACM duels.. Besides, 90% of the people in the MA don't use combat flaps which gives me an edge anyways..

TC.. Good call man.. I know I've only fought you a few times but you're pretty right on concerning how I like to fly..

SkyRock · « **Reply #14 on:** December 29, 2005, 01:47:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Nuke33
When I fly with the stall limiter my plane flops over on its back when I pull hard.. I dont see it as a handicap

They telling you right, Nuke33. Learn to fly without it and you have a whole new set of moves! :-)