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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2005, 06:24:47 PM »
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the narraration sucks because a basic transelation program was running something simple like the windows text reader, the artist, tochy, is japanese i believe, its nice he even tried to make it understandable in 2 languages.


I like the line in the 1945 one

"Damnit. that failed":rofl

Outstanding graphics though.


Collision model works too :p
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2006, 04:55:52 PM »
Gotta agree that the 1942/1945 movies are CGI. But the rest definently look legit.  Can't find a single "error" including both the spinning tailwheel and 270 degree parking turn.  For anyone not familiar with a fully castoring tailwheel notice that the plane has some sideslip when it lands, that's what kicks the tailwheel out.  Regarding the 270 degree parking turn, you can do this with conventional gear, just lock the inside break and maybe some left rudder and a burst of throttle to help kick it around.  You stop the turn with the right break.  Perfectly legit and not hard to do.  From the camera angle, it appears he lines up perfectly, again, this can be done.  If the films are CGI he'd be rich and living on a beach in Malibu.  The 1942/45 movies are great for CGI but still obvious.  Very well done but in addition to some of the textures the key to me is that the motion is noticably imperfect (particularly the rolls).  

Gotta love that nice touch at the beginning of the 45 movie...a formation of P51's out wasting ammo on sheds and chasing little children while the heroic Japenese pilots attempt to save the child against superior numbers.  Is this what they teach in Japanese schools?

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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2006, 04:58:45 PM »
They are CGI. That is a fact.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2006, 05:00:19 PM »
Mace what do u mean by legit?? like REAL??

NONE of those videos are real video. Each one is CGI.
Oh, and there are a lot of 3D animators that do work as well as this guy, and they are most definitely NOT rich living in Malibu.

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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2006, 05:27:37 PM »
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Gotta agree that the 1942/1945 movies are CGI. But the rest definently look legit.  


Tochy is a CGI artist. All those films are CGI.

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Gotta love that nice touch at the beginning of the 45 movie...a formation of P51's out wasting ammo on sheds and chasing little children while the heroic Japenese pilots attempt to save the child against superior numbers.  Is this what they teach in Japanese schools?

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Why not? That's definitely his/their right, as that is one way the locals saw the war. Just like the American fighters strafing civilians and cows in German '45.

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2006, 05:38:09 PM »
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Tochy is a CGI artist. All those films are CGI.



Why not? That's definitely his/their right, as that is one way the locals saw the war. Just like the American fighters strafing civilians and cows in German '45.



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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2006, 06:31:27 PM »
Amazing. Hard to believe it's CGI
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2006, 06:34:55 PM »
the kid in 1945 was overmodeled
his FM needs to be nerfed
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2006, 06:44:57 PM »
so when do you guys think AH will look somethin like that.

do any other planes other than 190's have the effect to have bullets holes anywhere on the frame?
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2006, 11:10:58 AM »
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so when do you guys think AH will look somethin like that.

2 weeks.

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2006, 04:19:59 PM »
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Mace what do u mean by legit?? like REAL??

NONE of those videos are real video. Each one is CGI.
Oh, and there are a lot of 3D animators that do work as well as this guy, and they are most definitely NOT rich living in Malibu.



Maybe I've missed something but what is the basis for believing all of these are CGI?  I haven't seen anything that establishes this is a "fact".  I don't read Japanese and the only clue on the site in English is the line that says "digital warbird show" over the films in question.  This could refer to digital movies of actual warbirds.  While I agree that his CGI is exceptionally good (and yes, I'd love to see AH look like that) it still looks like CGI while the warbirds do not.  Also, if you look down at the menu where he has still images, not one of them looks as realistic as the films (they're labeled as CGI by the way).  Compare the Mossie for instance.  The still picture is great but the films show an all together higher degree of realism.  If the warbirds films are a collection of his latest work he has all of the models and lighting done so wouldn't you all think he'd have updated the stills with his now perfected work?

His motion work in 42/45 is also exciting and exceptional but just sit back a bit and compare with the other video...there's something in the motion that doesn't appear right to me.  He's definently nailed it if the warbirds are CGI.

Last, has anyone considered that a CGI artist who can reproduce the images and movements as well as he does must have quite a few real-world examples to work from?  Seems natural that he would post these originals for others interested in the same subject as he is.  Of course, I nobody has mentioned the biggest issue....notice the ships in the background of the landing seaplane?  Don't know if any of those are still around so maybe it is all CGI.

Again, I'd be interested in knowing what everyone is basing their opinions on.  His CGI work is really terrific but if all of these are CGI color me absolutely amazed. I've put all of these up on my big screen at home, and to me, there are differences but, while I remain skeptical I'd certainly like to hear the proof.

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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2006, 05:01:37 PM »
I said it's about fluff'n time someone made a good Air Epic film without crapping it up like Peril Harbor (yes peril)

The guys that flew in it are passing away and they need to make one a la SPR but with better story :furious

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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2006, 05:40:54 PM »
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Maybe I've missed something but what is the basis for believing all of these are CGI?  I haven't seen anything that establishes this is a "fact".  I don't read Japanese and the only clue on the site in English is the line that says "digital warbird show" over the films in question.  This could refer to digital movies of actual warbirds.  While I agree that his CGI is exceptionally good (and yes, I'd love to see AH look like that) it still looks like CGI while the warbirds do not.  Also, if you look down at the menu where he has still images, not one of them looks as realistic as the films (they're labeled as CGI by the way).  Compare the Mossie for instance.  The still picture is great but the films show an all together higher degree of realism.  If the warbirds films are a collection of his latest work he has all of the models and lighting done so wouldn't you all think he'd have updated the stills with his now perfected work?

His motion work in 42/45 is also exciting and exceptional but just sit back a bit and compare with the other video...there's something in the motion that doesn't appear right to me.  He's definently nailed it if the warbirds are CGI.

Last, has anyone considered that a CGI artist who can reproduce the images and movements as well as he does must have quite a few real-world examples to work from?  Seems natural that he would post these originals for others interested in the same subject as he is.  Of course, I nobody has mentioned the biggest issue....notice the ships in the background of the landing seaplane?  Don't know if any of those are still around so maybe it is all CGI.

Again, I'd be interested in knowing what everyone is basing their opinions on.  His CGI work is really terrific but if all of these are CGI color me absolutely amazed. I've put all of these up on my big screen at home, and to me, there are differences but, while I remain skeptical I'd certainly like to hear the proof.

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Because his films are all over the internet and his work is well known. That's how.

And folks like you are also the reason he's making alot of money. Because it does look so real. That's nothing against you, its just that if you didnt know better, some of it, the mossi film especially, looks like it is indeed the real thing.
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2006, 02:12:43 PM »
If you dont think its CGI then look at the film "shiden-kai.mpeg" watch the ground crew and you can see the lack (its a DAM DAM tiny lack mind you) of free motion

when I say "free motion"  I am talking about the fact that people do not move like a robot, there is always the slight sway or a bump in their walk or when the drop to one knee.

Pay close attention to the feet of the ground crewman comming from the opposite side of the plan he air walks the last two or so steps.

Also look at the smoke effect from the wheels as he lands... there is somthing missing, I think its how the smoke dissapates.

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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2006, 02:38:55 PM »
Almost all of them have a giveaway that its CGI.

The "stunt" film is obviously CG smoke, the one with the seaplane is so obviously CG splash its laughable, etc.

And they look way too pretty to be real ife, just look at RL video like the Raoaring Glory series and compare. They never move that fluid or look that clear.

Not saying they aren't amazing, just that they are definately all CG. I have them all saved on my comp and drool over them periodically. And I haven't seen anything outside of (and some by...) a major studio that can compare.

The guy is damn good.
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