Author Topic: Dutchess Arlene (Read 695 times)

Elyeh · « **on:** January 01, 2006, 04:14:32 PM »

http://www.badcataviation.com/pmudar1gmpdi.html

A great looking P51 for anyone who wants to do it

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.diecastairplane.com/images/B11C999.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.diecastairplane.com/index.php/cPath/290_286_596&h=353&w=500&sz=33&tbnid=XlHjzUiDuHwJ:&tbnh=89&tbnw=127&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddutchess%2Barlene%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2005-47,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN

rogerdee · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2006, 04:36:28 PM »

id be tempted to give it a go i did do a yellow nosed p51 but didnt submitt it because i knew they were full,maybe if i do it really go they might knock out one of the poorer ones.Although thestandard of work gets better everytime

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2006, 09:48:46 PM »

There are plenty of red-trimmed P51s already, in fact somebody just made another red-trimmed p51. What does it matter if the name painted on the plane is different, if the plane is identical to one we already have?

I'd say "we already have it" and be done with it. YMMV

Elyeh · « **Reply #3 on:** January 02, 2006, 08:35:17 AM »

Ya know I was just putting the info out there for people who might be interested.

I could care less if it gets done, I just put it out there as some FYI material.

Someone might appreciate it

Knite · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2006, 09:03:15 PM »

Actually a long time ago in the "skins under construction" post I said I was going to do this one.

I technically am still working on it. But I'm going really darn slow, so if anyone else would prefer, please ask me so I don't duplicate work.

I'm My plans are to do Duchess Arlene, the Pontiac Head P-51b, and and a 51D from the 369th.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2006, 10:40:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
There are plenty of red-trimmed P51s already, in fact somebody just made another red-trimmed p51. What does it matter if the name painted on the plane is different, if the plane is identical to one we already have?

I'd say "we already have it" and be done with it. YMMV

Krusty, you really need to educate yourself with the markings of American aircraft and the various frighter groups. Just because splotches of red are on a plane doesn't make it the same plane even if they are from the same fighter group.

Run back to your swirled colored FWs and their pretty colored numbers where you can debate different tones of brown and grey.

rogerdee · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2006, 01:14:45 PM »

Knite would u mind if i do the p51 i got the basics for it already

Krusty · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2006, 10:39:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Fencer51
Krusty, you really need to educate yourself with the markings of American aircraft and the various frighter groups. Just because splotches of red are on a plane doesn't make it the same plane even if they are from the same fighter group.

Run back to your swirled colored FWs and their pretty colored numbers where you can debate different tones of brown and grey.

Fencer, puh-leaze. I know there are differences, mkay? Just like I know there are a dozen 109Es with yellow cowlings and identical markings but different numbers on the side and a small 10x10 pixel squad badge. Does that mean it's worth including every one of these dozen 109Es? They're all identical. Regardless of whether they belong to different squads/gruppes.

Regardless of whether the plane in question belongs to the 350th or the 360th fighter wings (made-up numbers), the paint scheme is basically identical to what we already have.

Knite · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2006, 06:05:56 PM »

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Originally posted by rogerdee
Knite would u mind if i do the p51 i got the basics for it already

If you'd like to rogerdee, by all means go for it =) If you need any research, I've got some bookmarks, and could quite likely recreate the woman if you need any help.
I'd so love to do this one myself (I respect the Tuskegee Airmen for a lot of reasons), I just don't have the time or "fire" to get it done as I once did, so do a good job or I'll have to whup up on ya. ;-) hahaha

Fencer51 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2006, 09:09:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Fencer, puh-leaze. I know there are differences, mkay? Just like I know there are a dozen 109Es with yellow cowlings and identical markings but different numbers on the side and a small 10x10 pixel squad badge. Does that mean it's worth including every one of these dozen 109Es? They're all identical. Regardless of whether they belong to different squads/gruppes.

Regardless of whether the plane in question belongs to the 350th or the 360th fighter wings (made-up numbers), the paint scheme is basically identical to what we already have.

Sorry man, I gotta disagree. Each represents a different unit that fought in the war and at different times in the war. I believe that each aircraft should be judged on it's own merit. Personally I don't like the PTO Mustang schemes but I can apprecaite that they represent a contribution to the overall representation of the war.

Just because someone has done a "yellow nosed" 109 or even 190 doesnt mean that someone else shouldn't do the same thing. Granted I would not want the exact same squadron or timeframe but if it was a signifcant enough aircraft than I wouldn't see the problem. Take VF-17 for instance. Should we get the F4U-1A I would expect at least 3 maybe 4 different planes from that unit, all the same time frame but each different.

Look at the plane we are talking about here. There is already a 332nd FG skin in the game, but if this plane signifcant for a certain time period, why not do it.

To use the standards you wish used, the 4th FG, 354th FG, 332nd FG, 52nd FG, 325th FG 339th and 31st FG all can be represented by one plane because they have "red trim".

rogerdee · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2006, 05:08:27 PM »

this is what i have done so far with the time i have had avalaible

There is no weathering or anything at the moment,what do u guys think?

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2006, 03:05:42 PM »

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To use the standards you wish used, the 4th FG, 354th FG, 332nd FG, 52nd FG, 325th FG 339th and 31st FG all can be represented by one plane because they have "red trim"

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but... EXACTLY!

There's no way you *can* get every important squad and every important unit, let alone minor ones along with that. There's no way to get them all, especially considering that the majority all looked the same. When you're talking a plane that's 95% bare metal anyways, on 90% of all the paint schemes ever used, and your red trim is 1% different from the next red trim, you literally have a plane that is 99% identical to ones we already have (with a different code on the side, and the angle on the red on the nose higher than the other plane), well... you've got the same skin.

If you like the red, take the red. We don't need 15 identical reds to choose from because then we have no other skins to choose from.

It's not a limited-slots issue, it's a ya-don't-need-to-nitpick issue.

This may seem calous, but just use the red skin we already have. It's so damn close to what you want.

When I pick a skin for any plane I'm flying I don't say "Oooh, I can't fly anything other than JG54, because I love that squadron" nor do I say "oh man I just can't fly that p51d with the red trim but is from the xxxth FG, I need to fly the one with red trim from the yyyth FG". I don't look at the units at all. I look at the skin. If I see it's got red on it, and I'm looking for red, I use it. Simple as that. I'm sure most folks operate that way, too, in regards to choosing skins.