Extra Armor Could Have Saved Many Lives, Study Shows

[john9001]

and how much body armor does the enemy have? come on, lets fight fair.

[Toad]

I suppose if the NYT had its way, every soldier in Iraq could have been encased in a 300 pound titanium suit of armor by now.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Toad
I suppose if the NYT had it's way, every soldier in Iraq could have been encased in a 300 pound titanium suit of armor by now.

no more like president Bush would have been executed and then stuffed and placed on display in their lobby.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Eagler
what load of crap...

right, the admin "does not care" about our boys.. if the comment weren't so stupid, it might even be funny...

Talk about thin skinned. This board has seen numerous attacks on dems and those that dont like Bush. And you can search your own comments to verify what Im saying.

These attacks were on many occasions aimed at the lack of patriotism and support of the troops.

So does your comment just mean that you can give it but cant take it?

[*NDM*JohnnyX]

My buddy just got back from a tour and he had body armor.

He hated wearing it, so he didn't wear most, maybe only the vest.

Extra armor solves nothing.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Silat
Talk about thin skinned. This board has seen numerous attacks on dems and those that dont like Bush. And you can search your own comments to verify what Im saying.

These attacks were on many occasions aimed at the lack of patriotism and support of the troops.

So does your comment just mean that you can give it but cant take it?

Considering you posted this thread to show somehow that the administration doesn't actually care about the troops even though the article referenced in this thread clearly shows planning, studies, and procurment that go completly against your argurmen......yea I'd say it's laughable  

[Hawklore]

Were these casualities in house to house or sniper/roadside attacks?

If it's house to house would not of helped, probally would of killed them sooner.

If it's from traveling and ambush attacks, perhaps..

They should be allowed to have what ever they want over there in the way of weapons and armor.

[Delirium]

Silat, I like you and all, but sometimes I really shake my head when I see some of your political postings.

As someone previously posted, its a trade off between armor and weight/mobility.

Its as silly as accusing FDR of killing our bomber and fighter pilots during WWII for not putting more armor in their aircraft. Who cares if they would of been slower and unable to manuver, statistics show everything.

[Delirium]

For example. we could of sent them to the field with this.



What is the use if they can't function in a urban envoirnment because of a lack of mobility?

I'd like to see futher studies taking mobilty, heat, weight, and casulties into play.

[Staga]

"For example..."  
Is that the armour they're speaking of or are you just trying to be smart?




Why not let the troops to decide if they want to wear additional armour or not?

[eagl]

Can't let the troops decide everything Staga...  Some of them would go into battle wearing little more than shorts and a baseball cap worn sideways.  Sometimes troops gotta be TOLD.

[Staga]

I don't know how it's in US but we had service regulations stating what to wear and how.
However our officers also had a right to make little alterations depending the circumstances; we didn't had to ask from headquarters what to wear.

Some decisions should be made at low level where people actually know the circumstances and IMHO wearing bit more protective bodyarmor is one of those.

Oh and if someone would like to enter a battle wearing just a baseball cap and shorts I think he would learn thinking otherwise even before leaving the barracks; as far as I remember army is good enforcing dicipline in its ranks.

At least in here.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Delirium
Its as silly as accusing FDR of killing our bomber and fighter pilots during WWII for not putting more armor in their aircraft. Who cares if they would of been slower and unable to manuver, statistics show everything.

Well put... maybe he'll see it now.

[lazs2]

Isn't it hot over there?   How much mobility and dehydration are you willing to put up with?   How much easier a target is a man who can't move well?

The battle between armor and weapons that will penetrate it is an old one.  The weapons allways win tho.

lazs

[Staga]

What's the problem Lazs?
I thought you hated centralizing making decisions; why don't you like the idea of letting troops and their officers decide themself?
Or are you saying all decisions should made in HQ (like in Washington) even if squad leaders and officers (like states) would know better the circumstances they are operating?

Are you perhaps a democrat?