Enough!!!!!

[Jigster]

lol I use to hit the 200 mph panzers with the second shot, but ever since wind was brought to ground level my aim has gone down the tubes.

[Mighty1]

Dago when I have been playing a lot in the Panzer I can judge range of any GV by the size of it in my scope.

Meaning I can normally hit someone with my first shot. Not real hard to do if you are in a tank a lot.

[Replicant]

Hey Pepino, thanks for the compliments!  It is far easier to defend than to attack though!  Sometimes I don't even get chance to go on the offensive because I'm too busy helping defend the Bishops!  

The 'tankers' that I always struggle against are yourself, Ripsnort (only pnzr to kill me last tour - was a joint death, though he got the credit!   ), Mitsu and Dinger.  Whels can be a crafty sod too!    I'm just pleased that Rollo is a Bishop!  

Regards

Nexx

[mrfish]

i fly the p51 99% of the time - usually on bomber hunts. it can go either way really

- if i get a good shot at the wing root and keep the guns there for a few seconds the job is over quickly - otherwise it can take several passes and often i end up getting shot down

- sometimes i fly the g10 because that 30mm cannon is insane at close range! it is very effective if you can get a good shot-

[Dago]

Sorry, but I just dont buy it, that anyone is that good, that they can routinely hit another pnzr on the first shot at great distances.

I drive the pnzr alot, and have made some first shot hits, but they are at reasonable distances.  The pnzr doesnt have some big hit bubble around it.  You can get very close without a hit.

The ones I tend to wonder about, are those when you have to zoom the cannon turret in all the way just to see the guy, yet he can hit you on the first shot.  Nobody is that good!

Dago

[Hangtime]

I'm starting to see some 'unworldly' things.. planes that perform beyond my spectrum of understanding. I hesitate to call 'em hackers or cheaters.. I just take my next sortie against another country or field when I encounter it.

Skill plays a huge part in this sim.. more than many others. This is the first place I've ever been able to demonstrate every salient point of ACM in Shaw's textbook. I've spent more than a year in here, and maybe by total time; kills and points garned, It's possible I may have the ultimate pasty skin award.. so when I see something that smells foul it comes from that base of experience.

Yep. All ain't clean here in AH.. and it's becoming more pervasive. Sure; we need this looked at; but it is NOT the major big deal that some would like us to think it is.. it's out there; sometimes, not always; everywhere. If yah see it; film it; send it in, keep it off the boards. Let HTC do their thing.

On the other hand; we all can with the proper placement and setup, covergance and aim point kill any buff or fighter in this sim in one pass, expending a very small amount of ammo in the process. Conversely; from a gunners chair you can usually strip the wings off an attacker on your buff.. again; it's just experience, timing and luck.

This past weekend I spent a gawd awful amount of time in a panzer and an ostie.. and by 1:00 am Monday morning I had learned how to range a target, how to lead a target, when to shoot; when to manuver, how to use smoke effectivley. The trick for me was setting the zoom preciesly the same way each time, and soon I was able to get real close if not dead on with the first shot just by using the 'size' of the target in the sight as a reference. Still; I prefer to get in closer, since it's damn tuff at extreme ranges to determine if the shot went long or the fall was short.. a couple of times I saw Nexx sittin back about 4k from the enemy; hitting perfectly while I was half again as close and missing constantly. Skill. Gunning armor effectively is an art.   Nonetheless, after my experience this weekend, I can say that if I can see enemy armor at max magnification, he can see me. And if he can see me and he's as good as Funked, Mighty1 or Nexx; then I'm dead if I don't get smoke down and start manuvering for cover or help. Running armor on offense against multiple set defenders it cruelly tuff.. you need numbers and air support; or you are lost.  

Hang

[Maverick]

Point to be made here. If you are fighting someone you feel is using a hack or some other kind of cheat you will need to be able film it and show the name of the player in the film. That means either you have to kill him or die yourself to find the identity of this person. Given the "perk mania" I expect to see about points soon that may hurt your chances to get your special ride.

Mav

[Hangtime]

Yep. True enuff.. but on a scale of 1 to 10; where's the pain threshold? Yah; I've been screwed on line by hackers.. no biggie.

Screw me once; shame on you. Screw me twice; shame on me. I just take my flying someplace where the dweebing score-potato small pointy dicked twit is not likely to find me. If he's gotta hacked FM; not much chance of winning fairly, is there? All I'm gonna accomplish by 'going after him' is giving him another kill and hence, more to crow about... so why boost his ego? IMHO; these little pointy dicked bug-fediddleers live fer attention (else why do it) negative or otherwise, so it ain't worth my time or my attention and fer sure theres more interesting things to get aggravated about.. like chogs over Berlin at 30k being flown by LW squad members..  

This upcomming pointy/perky (somebody say boobies?) mania thing, not even implemented yet; has generated a horrific amount of freakin hand-wringing and wailing... why?

Frankly; don't give a damn about scores.. I can fly, I'll get points. I'll die and I'll lose points. Part of the game.. Ask me if I'd rather have a good fight in a plane with a great flight model against a competent opponent, or instead be in a one sided execution using a cruddy turd bird against a newbie flying the exact same crap in diffrent graphics.. whats important to you?? Quake or ACM?

Ask youselves this.. "If this sim had NO scores at all; would I still fly it?"

I'd say yes.. sure, and I'd probably like it just as much... surely the score weenies would stop all this wailing and shut up, and the hackers would discover theres no point at all.. literally. Oh well... *sigh*

Fact is; why worry? Much like now, if you fly, drive or float you'll accumulate points. (anbody remember S&H Green stamps?)Use 'em or not.. no skin off anybodys butt.. unless by chance you have a small pointy headed pee-pee and are looking for something other than a flight sim?

 

Hang

[Replicant]

Hey Hangtime      That particular time the other day I had ranged the spawn point at about 3.4k away and aiming just to the left, so whilst you have it ranged, why move closer!?      It does help if you can see which side of the tank the shell is falling - the puff of dust as it hits the ground.  Again I think this is down to how good your resolution, dot pitch and graphics card is. This helps at very long range - nothing more satisfying than seeing a puff of dust before the tank, then the next shot behind the tank.... Ranged!!

The thing is that if someone is going to cheat then why cheat in a pnzr?  You can have a huge kill/death ratio in pnzrs but it doesn't reflect in the scores.  Each missed round counts too.  I even drove pnzrs in the Afrika scenario and I only got one kill in the whole thing!!  Okay, we didn't encounter that many enemy tanks, but when we did Apache and I was killed by Dinger!      Damn good shots too!

In all, I wouldn't have a clue at how anyone could cheat in a pnzr?  I mean 'hacking' the game.  I may use a few 'visual' aids at long range such as mentioned by Jigster which help considerably.  Also, if you're attacking a field and there are enemy pnzrs there then don't take a direct approach.  Zig zag or go further round the field - you can even swerve as soon as you see the tracer fired.  I always know when Ripsnort is attacking V61 because of his 'special' route which is bloody good!  There are also a couple of good external views that can help you locate armour (one I didn't even know of until Ripsnort told me!), though they are totally useless for aiming with - use the sight for that!  As for smoke rounds, I don't bother using them because you could be aiming with your AP instead.  I'll only use smoke if I'm out of ammo and retreating or if I'm totally surrounded.

Anyway, Dago, if you want to go to the training arena or whatever then I can perhaps suggest a few long range tips if you like... as long as you don't kill me!!    

Regards

Nexx

[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 12-19-2000).]

[Maverick]

Hang,

I do ignore points. I also ignore the MA most of the time so points cannot become an issue with me. If there were no scoring I would expect to see several people who love to see their names on the "top 10 list" leave as that is their main claim to fame. As for me, scores are inconsequential. Perk vehicles will be the same especially if they are limited to the MA.

Mav