Author Topic: V-1 "Buzz Bomb" KILLS (Read 4096 times)

Angus · « **Reply #15 on:** January 14, 2006, 06:02:41 PM »

Or maybe I'm wrong. Not sure when Shores started his work, bu I saw the movie in 1979 or so.

Squire · « **Reply #16 on:** January 14, 2006, 06:54:19 PM »

I remember that movie, it had Christopher Plummer and Mcdowell in it.

Would give anything for a decent WW1 sim, I may check out that Over Flanders Fields mod for CFS3.

Anybody have it?

Angus · « **Reply #17 on:** January 14, 2006, 07:31:43 PM »

Yes, yes, - Plummer got killed if I remember right.
Speaking of such, "blue max" was quite a film as well.

Kev367th · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2006, 09:02:23 PM »

On the deck a damper free Mossie would be faster than the the Spit XVI.

V1's
Main reason May 1944 LF IX's got 150 octane 25lbs boost, July 1944 XIV's got 150 octane 21lbs boost.
Both were capable of catching them.

Around the same time Mossies were using 150 grade in their wingtanks? only.

Karnak -
What would you like to see on the eventual remodel?

I would guess
B IV added
FB VI dampers removed.
Add one of the NFs - NF.30?

Oh 4k bombload option would be nice.
Something the Mossie pilots used to brag about - Could carry the same bombload as a B-17, only faster.

Your choice?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2006, 11:28:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Geary420
Kind of an off the wall question, but IIRC wasn't the prefered way to kill them flying alongside and bumping the wing to make it spin out so you didn't blow yourself up? If so what percentage of downed V1's were taken out this way vs. shooting?

Terry Spencer tipped one in his Spit XII after he ran out of ammo. It was NOT the normal way to do it.

First was "Junior" Collier in a Spit XIV of 91 Squadron. He too had run out of ammo first.

image is from Terry Spencer's logbook of a cartoon done by Tom Slack to commemorate Terry's effort.

Tough to do in a clipped Spit.

Debonair · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:28:14 AM »

all good

Nashwan · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:54:17 AM »

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Contrary to what simulation games would have people believe, the Mosquito was actually regarded as fast.

Scherf · « **Reply #22 on:** January 15, 2006, 03:10:00 AM »

Hi All:

I believe the 150-octane in wing tanks was the method used to test comparative performance, not the way it was used on operations. Neither Sharp and Bowyer in "Mosquito" nor Lewis Brandon (157 Squadron) in his memoirs describe the Mossies getting a mix of fuels, just that they went over to 150. Incidentally, Brandon says that to combat the V-1s, 157 got strengthened noses, stub exhausts, 150-octane and +24lbs boost, and that with the exception of the stubs, these modifications were retained when they went back onto bomber support ops.

A number of mossie crew have written of chasing fast V-1s going like bats out of hell and therefore uncatchable, followed by much slower-moving ones, which the Mossies then overshot.

Incidentally, the first V-1 shot down by an allied aircraft was claimed by a Mossie of 605 Squadron, which actually brought it down in a level tail-chase after having to turn through 180 degrees to pursue it.

Of all the variants I'd like to see added to AH, it would be the B.XVI - the B.IV has the same bomb load as the FB.VI, without all the yummy cannon, so probably wouldn't see much use. The NF.30 probably would only get used if Combat Tour ever does night bombing.

bozon · « **Reply #23 on:** January 15, 2006, 03:40:29 AM »

Holy cow! A hotrod N2O injected mosquito!

Is that 394 mph at 2000 feet ?!

Bozon

Kev367th · « **Reply #24 on:** January 15, 2006, 07:37:52 AM »

Bozon -
Mossie was faster on the deck than the much overhyped Spit XVI.

Which Merlins do our Mossies have? 25's I assume?

Scherf - Thought of the NF.30 for people who might want to just have what is essentially a fast Mosquito fighter variant:

379 mph (609km/h) at 6,000ft (1829m) - NF.30 in MS gear.
394 mph (634km/h) at 13,800ft (4206m) - NF.30 in FS gear.
424 mph (682km/h) at 26,500ft (8075m) - NF.30 in FS gear.

4x20mm cannons + 500lb bomb load + DTs

That performance would make it a lot more surviveable in the MA and would maybe even bring about an increase in use.

But your right about the B IV.
Revised list
FB VI
B XVI (with the 4k bomb load option I assume)
NF.30

Angus · « **Reply #25 on:** January 15, 2006, 02:23:39 PM »

I'd say BRING IT IN HTC.
We have several of the ultimate and 1945 aircraft available anyway.
And the glazed-nose and bomber-only mossie could easily follow in a patch - not so much graphic work.
Ok, we have the Arado which is faster. But the Mossie gets into business faster with a much quicker takeoff and climb.
Anyway, obviously the Mossies have not been harvested to the limit into AH.

Kev367th · « **Reply #26 on:** January 15, 2006, 03:05:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Angus
I'd say BRING IT IN HTC.
We have several of the ultimate and 1945 aircraft available anyway.
And the glazed-nose and bomber-only mossie could easily follow in a patch - not so much graphic work.
Ok, we have the Arado which is faster. But the Mossie gets into business faster with a much quicker takeoff and climb.
Anyway, obviously the Mossies have not been harvested to the limit into AH.

First losses I could find

NF.30 is pre July 44
B XVI is pre Nov 43

So not even 1945 stuff.

Angus · « **Reply #27 on:** January 15, 2006, 04:20:04 PM »

No wonder that both RAF and LW pilots said they were faster than anything.
I recall a tale where 190's gave up on a low-level tail-chase outside Jutland. Well, the Mossies outran them. It was on these boards but I haven't found it again. Anyone?

Scherf · « **Reply #28 on:** January 15, 2006, 09:41:54 PM »

Hi Kev:

Sharp and Bowyer show the NF.30 first going into service on 21 June 1944, with 219 Squadron. First kills by this type were on 21 July 1944, again with 219 Sqn.

They also say 139 Squadron first took the B.XVI on operations on 10/11 February 1944, with both 109 and 105 Squadrons following on the first two days of March.

So, not 1945, as you say.

Angus, you may be referring to the sortie on 14 April 1944 when two Mossies of 418 Squadron went on a tear through Minensuchstaffel 5./MSGr 1 off Sjaelland's Point, then across Kastrup, then left behind two 190s which tried to intervene.

Bozon, I think that 394 mph docco is actually a combined scan from two separate documents. Neil Stirling has better information on that one, I don't have a National Archives reference.

I see comments on this thread and the other about the Mossie being "re-done". Is this something's which been decided?

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** January 16, 2006, 01:08:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Karnak -
What would you like to see on the eventual remodel?

Required:
Mosquito B.Mk IV with Merlin 21s.
Mosquito FB.Mk VI with Merlin 25s and no flame dampers
Mosquito B.Mk XVI with Merlin 72/73s or 76/77s (counter rotating!)

I would like to see:
Mosquito F.Mk II powered by Merlin 21, 22 or 23s
Mosquito NF.Mk XIII with Merlin 25s
Mosquito NF.Mk 30 with Merlin 72s.

Mosquito F.Mk II:
Max speed: 366mph at 22,000ft
Armament: four 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon (150rpg) and four .303 Browning machine guns (500rpg)

Why: First fighter and nightfighter version of the Mossie, entered service in late 1941.

Mosquito B.Mk IV:
Max speed 382mph at 22,000ft
Armament: four 500lbs bombs or four 250lb bombs.

Why: First bomber version of the Mossie. Entered service in early 1942 and was the main Mossie bomber version until the Mk XVI began to supplant it in 1944.

Mosquito FB.Mk VI:
Max speed: 387mph at 13,000ft, about 355mph on the deck.
Armament: four 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon (150rpg or 175rpg) and four .303 Browning machine guns (500rpg or 720rpg), four 500lb bombs or four 250lb bombs or two 500lb bombs and eight rockets or two 250lb bombs and eight rockets.

Why: Most common Mossie that served in many theaters and in many roles. One of the most versatile aircraft of WWII. Entered service in July, 1943.

Mosquito NF.Mk XIII:
Max speed: 394mph at 13,800ft, 379mph at 6,000ft, 350mph at sea level
Armament: four 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon (150rpg)

Why: First dedicate Mosquito night fighter. Thimble nose with just the cannons. Entered service in late 1943/early 1944.

Mosquito B.Mk XVI:
Max speed: 408mph at 28,500ft with 4,000lb bomb, 419mph after release. 329mph at sea level with 4,000lb bomb, 333mph after release. (speeds without dampers)
Armament: One 4,000lb bomb or six 500lb bombs (two under the wings)

Why: Second major Mossie bomber and a good perk bomber. Counter rotating props on a level bomber! 408mph is faster than the Ar234 while bomb laden. Entered service in late 1943/early 1944. Declared obsolete in April, 1949.

Mosquito NF.Mk 30:
Max speed: 424mph at 26,500ft, 400mph at 13,500ft, 338mph at sea level.
Armament: four 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon (250rpg, IIRC) and two 500lb bombs.

Why: The final and best Mosquito fighter of WWII. Bull nosed and entered service in mid-1944. The best night fighter of WWII.

Together these would cover the Mosquito very well. I'd like a FB.Mk XVIII to play with, but it does have a couple of really good reasons not to be added. 1) it was very rare. 2) it would destabilize several aspects of gameplay.

The Mk IV, Mk VI and Mk XVI are the most crucial though.